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Ripduf1 wrote:
PS Post a picture of your motor and some of us could confirm if it is correct or not.

Here's the motor. What do you think? I would guess it's the original 2-spring motor.
But I'm a newbie, what do I know?

The motor is correct. The speed control rod that affects the governor pads that regulate the speed is out of shape. Rather than replace it I bet someone over the years re-cut the notch on the horn to accomodate the mishapen rod. John

This particular model looks to be a table top similar to the the VV-XI and probably shares the same parts with the "Low Boy" model. Pictures of the "Low Boy" attached.

Just my thoughts

Actually there is over ten years between the table model X and your console. About the only part in common to both machines might be the nickel needle cup. In that decade motors became more powerful and quiet, reproducers were improved, and tone arm technology advanced. Both machines were spring driven but that's about all they had in common. Always be cautious when buying parts from one model and assuming they will work on another. Jerry Blais

Perhaps the motor is not original to the machine.

If you suspect a spring motor has been substituted from another talking machine, always check to see if there is an extra crank hole. It is extremely difficult to transplant a spring motor from one machine into another. A second or filled crank hole is a really good clue. (With that said, I have seen Columbia Grafonolas with what looked like a factory plug in addition to occupied crank hole. If I saw such a machine, I would not expect escutcheon holes on either side of the plug.) Another tampering clue is to pop off the turntable to see if there are extra motor mounting screw holes. ALWAYS be cautious when you see extra crank holes or extra motor mounting holes.

Happy collecting, Jerry Blais

Ripduf1 wrote:The motor is correct. The speed control rod that affects the governor pads that regulate the speed is out of shape. Rather than replace it I bet someone over the years re-cut the notch on the horn to accomodate the mishapen rod. John

I can see now that it has been twisted around a bit and mistreated. But I wonder why that might be. Surely the rod won't go out of shape over time. Why would somebody do such a thing? Naughty, naughty.

Thanks to all for their input.

VV-Montreal wrote:Ripduf1 wrote:
PS Post a picture of your motor and some of us could confirm if it is correct or not.

Here's the motor. What do you think? I would guess it's the original 2-spring motor.
But I'm a newbie, what do I know?

This is the mator that should be in my VV-XI, but who knows my machine has the later model with the finer cut teeth. You never know with these earlier models.