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If by "Turntable" you mean the green round upper plate, then I can't - it's stuck when I pull it.
But I can open the upper "door" - please see the att. pictures.

Regards /Ofer

I'm looking at the label on the inside. Note that parts of it are torn away, yet the color of the exposed wood is the same as elsewhere where there is no label. Wood darkens with time, and one would expect the now-exposed wood (where the label once was but now torn away) to be lighter in color even for the inside of the machine. Not sure, but has the inside of the case been shellacked? Furniture fakers sometimes use shellac to darken the wood to make it appear older than it is. If so, why would the original manufacturer waste time and effort shellacking the inside of this machine? The label may be part of a somewhat sophisticated hoax. Also, the bottom appears to be new wood.

soundgen wrote:Take the turntable off and post a picture of the gramophone top WITHOUT THE TURNTABLE

May sound crazy but I think with this machine the original motor was attached to the bottom of the cabinet.

So what is yours bottom line verdict, is it a total fake phonograph or it's an old phonograph that been changed ?
The motor, horn, body & knobs looks to me very old.

Regards /Ofer

To me it looks like an original machine ,that may or may not have been re motored . The date of manufacture is stamped over the label ! If there is no sign of a blocked winder hole then its probably the original motor . The mitred top is not the easiest thing to make either . Its possible the ply bottom is a replacement .Soundbox is definitely a replacement.
.The turntable may have left-hand thread and need unscrewing ,.,,Or may just be stuck in which case you hold it and tap the spindle carefully with a hammer .

What is the meaning that the date of manufacture is out of the label ?

Regarding the mitred top, I can see drilling signs in the wood. Maybe it's been taken from other gramophon.

US PHONO wrote:

soundgen wrote:Take the turntable off and post a picture of the gramophone top WITHOUT THE TURNTABLE

May sound crazy but I think with this machine the original motor was attached to the bottom of the cabinet.

Not as crazy as you might think. French built Pathé machines often had their motors mounted on the bottom board of the cabinet.

Also these screws looks new to me...
But most important, as it had been said before, Eufon never made horn gramophones. So this thing is coming with a wrong decal! The "Euphon" A.G. had been founded in Budapest, Hungary in May 1907 with the purpose of enterprise to „produce Gramophones without a metal horn”… All in all a good made Frankenphone, to me...

The date is rubber stamped so stamped on top of the label .

The screws do look new admittedly . However I do have a 1904 G&T machine and inside the screws look new as well .No corrosion at all .

Obviously an expert need to inspect the machine at close quarters . It could be made up from old parts .

where are the screw holes? The control and brake are nicely positioned.


The turntable needs to come off to inspect it more .

In my opinion turntable and brake is from 20's portable gramophone.
It was complete from original parts but its not original.
Motor probably was mounted on the bottom like Pathé.