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Right now I can't even seem to get the cover off of the outer spring barrel. Even using the thinnest shim I have, I can't even find a wedge by which to open it.

Garret wrote:Right now I can't even seem to get the cover off of the outer spring barrel. Even using the thinnest shim I have, I can't even find a wedge by which to open it.

If the outer barrel is off the shaft, you just need to place a screw driver through the shaft hole until it hits the inside of the cover. Then, just give it a sharp tap and it should just pop off. If the barrel is still attached to the inner barrel and shaft, you will need to remove the gear and shear pin inside. Then, using a piece of wood and a hammer...strike the shaft and the lid should pop off.
A very easy thing to do.

*Please note* make sure you mark the direction of the springs by attaching a piece of masking tape and an arrow before you remove the springs.

Both barrels are on the shaft, and the barrel opposite the winding gear on the shaft seems to be fused to the shaft somehow, and the inner barrel with the gear that drives the spindle shaft rotates freely on it. I can't get the cover of the outside barrel off, either. There is no room for even a razor to fit between the cover and the barrel, and since it is stuck on the shaft, there is no way to hit the cover from the inside, or pry the assembly apart. I could order a very powerful magnet with a tremendous amount of pulling power to see if that would somehow pop the cover of the outer barrel off, but right now it's like the whole assembly is locked together like the second picture from the bottom of the last set of photos I pictured. I also thought of prying out of that one barrel what could very well be a screw, but am afraid of damaging anything in the process.

Garret wrote:Both barrels are on the shaft, and the barrel opposite the winding gear on the shaft seems to be fused to the shaft somehow, and the inner barrel with the gear that drives the spindle shaft rotates freely on it. I can't get the cover of the outside barrel off, either. There is no room for even a razor to fit between the cover and the barrel, and since it is stuck on the shaft, there is no way to hit the cover from the inside, or pry the assembly apart. I could order a very powerful magnet with a tremendous amount of pulling power to see if that would somehow pop the cover of the outer barrel off, but right now it's like the whole assembly is locked together like the second picture from the bottom of the last set of photos I pictured. I also thought of prying out of that one barrel what could very well be a screw, but am afraid of damaging anything in the process.

To take the barrels apart you will need to remove the winding/pawl gear. It is just pushed on. So, you may need to pull on it while another taps the shaft with wood and hammer.
Once the gear is off, you tap out the shear pin, followed by a shim washer. Now is a good time to clean all these parts.

Rotate the outer barrel and align the spring shaft pin with the notch in the inner barrel lid. The outer barrel will now be separated.
You can now tap the shaft with the outer barrel in order to pop the lid. The inner barrel lid has a notch and you can pop it with a screw driver or place the driver into the other end on an angle and tap the lid out.

The attached pics show a Victor two spring motor with a broken outer spring.

Click on the pics to enlarge.

Thank you so much for these photos! The trick was knowing that the winding gear pulled off! In regards to the outer spring barrel; I simply just need to tap the shaft out in the direction of the spring barrel lid? That is, in the photo below, I need to tap the shaft out towards the left with some sort of force ?

Best,

Garret

Garret wrote:Thank you so much for these photos! The trick was knowing that the winding gear pulled off! In regards to the outer spring barrel; I simply just need to tap the shaft out in the direction of the spring barrel lid? That is, in the photo below, I need to tap the shaft out towards the left with some sort of force [img]from%20the%20right[/img]?

Best,

Garret

Yep, that's all there is to it. Just remember....if your removing the springs...mark the barrels accordingly.

Taking pics also helps.

One other thing....when you go to reassemble...make sure the shear pin is good. Most of the time they are no longer straight..all the years of tension winding the motor.
You will want to make sure the pin is centered in the shaft and the winding/pawl gear is fully seated. This is important if you want the two mounting screws for the cast support to line up with the top motor plate. Depending on how snug the gear fits on....I usually tap it down into place...with wood of course... .


Good luck.

Well,

The good news is that I managed to get both spring barrels open without any trouble using the advice helpfully provided here. However, there are no springs in the barrels, and the steel shaft that extends through both spring barrels is bent and has a nail driven through it that doesn't want to come out (seriously). Worse, the shaft that is fixed to, and extends out of, the outer spring barrel itself is also somewhat badly bent. It appears that someone removed the spring barrels and attempted to get the phonograph to play without springs, presumably by continuously winding the crank and attempting to let the governor control the speed of the turntable. Needless to say, this means either finding someone to either get this outer spring barrel and shaft set true (a herculean task), and/or looking for more parts.

That said, this poor little thing has been in piece forever. I'll eventually get it back together.

Garret wrote:Well,

The good news is that I managed to get both spring barrels open without any trouble using the advice helpfully provided here. However, there are no springs in the barrels, and the steel shaft that extends through both spring barrels is bent and has a nail driven through it that doesn't want to come out (seriously). Worse, the shaft that is fixed to, and extends out of, the outer spring barrel itself is also somewhat badly bent. It appears that someone removed the spring barrels and attempted to get the phonograph to play without springs, presumably by continuously winding the crank and attempting to let the governor control the speed of the turntable. Needless to say, this means either finding someone to either get this outer spring barrel and shaft set true (a herculean task), and/or looking for more parts.

That said, this poor little thing has been in piece forever. I'll eventually get it back together.

The good news here is.....you were able to assess the situation without shipping costs and paying someone to give you bad news.. .

The other good news is, your drive barrel with bull gear should still be usable. Therefore, you just need a outer barrel/shaft and the main shaft.

You may want to inspect the bull gear teeth for wear. If really bad, you may want to replace the pair of barrels.


The simplest and easiest way to fix this is.....buy a pair of ready to go barrels and just drop them in and your done.

Again, just make sure they come with a course tooth bull gear....not a later fine tooth bull gear.

I would also inspect other components for wear or damage..like, the spiral drive gear (commonly worn) and the spindle for true. If you find many parts are worn or damaged....it may be cheaper to buy a good complete motor.
Anyway, this is just my opinion.

A couple of quick phone calls have informed me that replacement spring barrels are out there. Nothing a bit of time and funds can't fix. This thread may go dormant for a couple weeks while waiting on parts and other things, but I promise to post more pictures at some point.