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Jerry B. wrote:If it helps Cliff, I will bring it to Union or APS for the cost of a chocolate malt and lunch.

Jerry Blais

Thanks, Jerry! Cliff

Phonofreak wrote:Very nicely restored machine, Cliff. Glad you replaced that pesky, broken pot metal elbow with a good one. One thing that I am curious with this machine. When you look at the Grafonola decal, Does it say C-1 or C-2? The model C came after the model 35. C-1 is Mahogany, and C-2 is oak. Or visa-versa. I can never remember which is which. Also, is there a label on the bottom of the case? Machines of that era have a WWI tax stamp on the bottom that adds to the history.
Harvey Kravitz

Harvey, I don't see a C-1 or C-2 on the decal, but it does say Note The Notes. When did that end?

I'll get a picture of the label on the bottom tomorrow when I go to the shop. Never thought to look there. I'll try to get a better picture of the decal, too.

Cliff

The C-1 or C-2, would be near the "notes". Since that is absent, then it is the last of the Model 35. The C-1, and C-2, came out in 1918. Another nice feature of this machine is the motor board knobs are present. These are usually missing, and hard to find.
Harvey Kravitz

There isn't much left of the label on the bottom, but is very similar to another label with the patent dates ranging from July 27, 1897 to August 18, 1914, and the price in Canada is $45. Can't really make out the rest.

Cliff

Phonofreak wrote:The C-1 or C-2, would be near the "notes". Since that is absent, then it is the last of the Model 35. The C-1, and C-2, came out in 1918. Another nice feature of this machine is the motor board knobs are present. These are usually missing, and hard to find.
Harvey Kravitz

Harvey,

I have a "Jewel", which features a non-hinged motor-board, and the motor is attached to a blued-steel round plate, about 8-9 inches in diameter.

It has a #6 reproducer and bayonet arm, but the tone-arm has a limit-screw at the back of the elbow for disassembly ( vs. the later "spring-clip", such as Cliff's machine has.).

Was the hinged motorboard a later feature, peculiar to the "35" as opposed to the "Jewel", etc ?


I just acquired another "Jewel" / "35" in fair condition, finish is kind of dry, missing the deck knobs and has a broken spring... curious about production changes in hardware, etc.


Cliff- very nice machine !

Thanks,

Frank

Hi Frank, I have the same early Jewel like yours. They came out in late 1913 or early 1914. It used a female crank. Around 1915 or so, the Jewel evolved into the Model 35. That nodel 35 came with a male crank. This had the hinged motor board with the deck knobs. I like the early Jewel over the later ones.
Harvey Kravitz

Thanks Harvey !

I'll have to check my early Jewel and have a look at the crank.


The hinged motorboard w/o the tin mounting-plate almost seems a step backwards for Columbia.


My 1911-12 "Favorite" with horn-doors, has the motor mounted to the underside of the wooden deck, like the earlier Disc Graphophones, and my upright Granolas all have the motor mounted to a metal plate, either big round, or the later squarish.


Do the later Jewel knobs have to have a low profile, our will a modern knurled binding-post nut or cabinet knob serve the purpose ?


Thanks,

Frank

Frank, What I have done in a pinch was get knurled screw caps at the hardware store. They are pretty close to the originals, but not exact. It's better than nothing, though. Get a couple of dowel screws, the kind with a machine thread on one side, and a wood screw on the other. That will work until you can get originals later on. You're right, the hinged motor board is a step backward and a poor design. After a while, the wood weakens with the movement. Plus, the knobs get lost. The earlier design with the round, blued, motor board, is a much better design, and stronger, too. After I got my earlier Jewel, I sold my Model 35.
Harvey Kravitz

I listened to this machine again today and it still sounds great! Cliff

CDBPDX wrote:I listened to this machine again today and it still sounds great! Cliff

I can't believe it's not sold yet.