The 'unscrupulous' reproduction of cylinders?

[edisonphonoworks]

Norman. I had an incident one time,I had some of the new spiral core brown wax blanks in a pegged,woodrn storage box at a show and a person inquired about them,on how they were in such nice shape. I told the genleman, that I made them, and they are new. The person then had a rather interesing look of embarassment,and stormed off in a hurried mannor. However I initial tbe inside spiral area now and date them, someone would have to destroy the record to eface tbis. Also most are 4.5" instead of 4.25",another way to tell. I have one mold that makes single wide spiral left screw thread,never seen an original like that. The right handed double mold, though you have to do a doubletake sometimes. The plastic material cylinders,are very nice, I will be buying more,as they demonstrate nicely at fairs and schools.

[Marco Gilardetti]

The only reason why I may figure someone complaining for reproduction cylinders is the fear that his/her overpaid XYZ cylinder will decrease its market value because reproductions are easily available. Very much Donald Duck style, methinks.

These kind of people aside, I think there is an overwhelming consensus about the fact that newly issued or reproduced cylinders are a terrific enrichment for this hobby. On my side, I can't find enough words to encourage all those who have the skills to produce new cylinders to go ahead!

[bfinan11]

Has anyone done something similar with discs, and reissued any of the rarest material of the 78 era on new shellac or shellac-like discs? Things like pre-1896 Berliners, G&T opera, Paramount and Black Patti 20s blues, etc?

[WDC]

Very good points made here. I do see a risk with wax blanks and it's quite a very good idea to mark them, Shawn.

The fear of having overpaid something could be a reason, but this seller just sold a copy of Ermine Calloway's Blue Amberol of Give your little Baby lot's of Lovin' for $500 buy it now - exactly the price he wanted.

Now, my re-cut of that very same song has been around for four years since 2012. Apparently he is one of those angry fellows who appreciate to make a statement, no matter what. I wonder how many sellers of LP re-issues he has also blocked.

Of course, lot's of good stuff was never re-issued, but lot's of rare 78's were re-issued in the 1940's and, to my knowledge, did sell quite well. Today, however, the original pressings are still ones that are highly sought after.

[Valecnik]

Very good points made here. I do see a risk with wax blanks and it's quite a very good idea to mark them, Shawn.

The fear of having overpaid something could be a reason, but this seller just sold a copy of Ermine Calloway's Blue Amberol of Give your little Baby lot's of Lovin' for $500 buy it now - exactly the price he wanted.

Now, my re-cut of that very same song has been around for four years since 2012. Apparently he is one of those angry fellows who appreciate to make a statement, no matter what. I wonder how many sellers of LP re-issues he has also blocked.

Of course, lot's of good stuff was never re-issued, but lot's of rare 78's were re-issued in the 1940's and, to my knowledge, did sell quite well. Today, however, the original pressings are still ones that are highly sought after.

Agree with the points everyone has made. Also in my case, I can afford to buy an $80 copy of a rare 56xx Edison cylinder but I could never justify paying $500 or more for a copy I could accidentally drop or have split in half.

[FloridaClay]

Thanks for letting us know about this person. Not the sort I would want to buy from.

Clay

[Victrolacollector]

Thanks for letting us know about this person. Not the sort I would want to buy from.

Clay

This seller does not seem to be someone that really cares about our hobby.

[Victrolacollector]

Very good points made here. I do see a risk with wax blanks and it's quite a very good idea to mark them, Shawn.

The fear of having overpaid something could be a reason, but this seller just sold a copy of Ermine Calloway's Blue Amberol of Give your little Baby lot's of Lovin' for $500 buy it now - exactly the price he wanted.

Now, my re-cut of that very same song has been around for four years since 2012. Apparently he is one of those angry fellows who appreciate to make a statement, no matter what. I wonder how many sellers of LP re-issues he has also blocked.

Of course, lot's of good stuff was never re-issued, but lot's of rare 78's were re-issued in the 1940's and, to my knowledge, did sell quite well. Today, however, the original pressings are still ones that are highly sought after.

It looks like he got over $300.00 for Aint She Sweet

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Edison-Blue-Amb ... 7675.l2557

[cylinderuke78]

It's when a reproduction cylinder is sold as original is when I have a problem. There has got to be something to show its modern, not to forge our history. Some of the early reproduction cylinder like electrophone I have seen sold as antique, vintage (to the average Joe buyer). I know all of you cylinder makers on here show they are newly made, which is great! There is nothing wrong in making these great cylinders. It brings so much to the hobby.

Sometime ago via eBay, a genuine brown wax Caruso (,for you alone) was sold as genuine. As collectors, we know this was never true and is a homemade pirate copy. Trouble is many people who have not got the knowledge will never know (I guess it's like any hobby)

I am a proud owner of many 5000 series and they have an important place to me.

Keep up the good work guys!

[WDC]

You made a very good point. The problem are people trying to cheat on others who do not know what they are actually buying. Those should be the ones to point the finger at. Crapophones are good example for that.

A friend of mine once told me a story of a dealer who buried a tinfoil repro phonograph for 1-2 years and then sold it to someone who thought he was buying an original one. On the other hand, one should always do some homework and gain some knowledge before spending his money.

Personally, I am glad that reproduction parts are made so that we can actually maintain lots of machines and keep them in working order.