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Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:09 am
by hearsedriver
phonogfp wrote:hearsedriver wrote:Since we are on the subject, can a C reproducer be modified to play brown wax, such as cutting off the tail weight?
It's not just the weight. The C's stylus has an elliptical shape rather than the ball stylus of an Automatic, B, or Graphophone. That elliptical shape concentrates the weight in a narrow arc across the bottom of the groove. It's better to use a reproducer with a ball shaped stylus instead of destroying a Model C.
George P.
I wouldnt destroy a C. There are plenty of orphan tail weights on ebay. The Standard reproducer are just too expensive for me.
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:06 pm
by phonogfp
hearsedriver wrote:
I wouldnt destroy a C. There are plenty of orphan tail weights on ebay. The Standard reproducer are just too expensive for me.
The Standard Speaker is indeed a pricey item, but you wouldn't want to play brown wax with that because of its limited lateral compliance. The Automatic was introduced early on as a better playing alternative to the Standard, but they too command healthy dollars these days. However, an outstanding reproduction Automatic is currently offered by JAS Antiques:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321393269349?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
The best bang for your brown-wax buck on an Edison machine would be a Model B Reproducer. These are commonly found, use a ball stylus, and should cost no more than a Model C.
George P.
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:15 pm
by hearsedriver
phonogfp wrote:hearsedriver wrote:
I wouldnt destroy a C. There are plenty of orphan tail weights on ebay. The Standard reproducer are just too expensive for me.
The Standard Speaker is indeed a pricey item, but you wouldn't want to play brown wax with that because of its limited lateral compliance. The Automatic was introduced early on as a better playing alternative to the Standard, but they too command healthy dollars these days. However, an outstanding reproduction Automatic is currently offered by JAS Antiques:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321393269349?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
The best bang for your brown-wax buck on an Edison machine would be a Model B Reproducer. These are commonly found, use a ball stylus, and should cost no more than a Model C.
George P.
Thanks George. I didnt know about the Model B !
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:54 pm
by phonogfp
The Model B was standard equipment on Gems for several years, as well as several Edison coin-ops. As you can see, it used the same tube plate as the Model C, but with a round, Automatic-style weight. (The Model B was an improved form of Automatic.) There are a variety of weights found on Model Bs. Steve Medved wrote about the Model B in an issue of
The Antique Phonograph a couple of years ago and shows many of the weight variations.
This particular Model B had an adjusting lever which I removed and placed inside the machine it's currently on.
George P.
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:20 pm
by hearsedriver
Interesting George. I'll have to search for one. I was wondering why my brown cylinder home recordings have degraded so quickly. Ive been using a C to play them ;(
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:31 pm
by phonogfp
hearsedriver wrote: I was wondering why my brown cylinder home recordings have degraded so quickly. Ive been using a C to play them ;(
Oh no... Sorry to hear that. The Antique Phonograph Society has an article posted in an attempt to help prevent that kind of damage from happening. Although a Model B isn't shown in the illustrations, it's mentioned in a few captions:
https://www.antiquephono.org/basic-anti ... onal-tips/
Meanwhile, if you play your brown wax on your Eagle or your Q, it should diminish the wear. Even better: record your brown wax digitally or on tape for casual listening and save the original records for special occasions.
George P.
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:04 am
by Django
This forum has a wealth of information. Just in this topic alone, irreversible damage to irreplaceable brown wax cylinders has been avoided. Maybe a book of does and don'ts for the antique phonograph enthusiast would be a good venture, if only we knew someone who has a nack for writing and lots of knowledge......
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:00 pm
by Columbia78
Is it possible to just attach one of the JAS reproduction automatic reproducer to a 1904 vintage Standard in place of the existing model C, so I can play my one brown wax cylinder?
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:01 pm
by Columbia78
Columbia78 wrote:Is it possible to just attach one of the JAS reproduction automatic reproducers to a 1904 vintage Standard in place of the existing model C, so I can play my one brown wax cylinder?
Re: Couple newbie questions
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:03 pm
by phonogfp
Columbia78 wrote:Is it possible to just attach one of the JAS reproduction automatic reproducer to a 1904 vintage Standard in place of the existing model C, so I can play my one brown wax cylinder?
Yes, absolutely.
George P.