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phonogfp wrote:

Valecnik wrote: The Triumph crane foot as I recall is stamped with a "T" on the underside.

I never knew that! Can someone show a picture?

Thanks Bruce!

George P.

The early Edison cranes are marked on the bracket that fits under the motor board. S Standard, H Home, T Triumph. These brackets are also different lengths as are the top support rods.
If you notice these early cranes are not adjustable. You have the straight upright rod and then the support rod that fit into it. No adjustment other than different length upper support rods. The Standard is the shortest and the Triumph is the longest.
When the newer Edison crane came around with the bent upright rod, than the adjustment was in the upper support rod being pulled in and out. These later crane setups are not marked.

It seems like there was a thread about this in the past. If not I can provide pictures later.

Larry Crandell

Phonolair wrote:

phonogfp wrote:

Valecnik wrote: The Triumph crane foot as I recall is stamped with a "T" on the underside.

I never knew that! Can someone show a picture?

Thanks Bruce!

George P.

The early Edison cranes are marked on the bracket that fits under the motor board. S Standard, H Home, T Triumph. These brackets are also different lengths as are the top support rods.
If you notice these early cranes are not adjustable. You have the straight upright rod and then the support rod that fit into it. No adjustment other than different length upper support rods. The Standard is the shortest and the Triumph is the longest.
When the newer Edison crane came around with the bent upright rod, than the adjustment was in the upper support rod being pulled in and out. These later crane setups are not marked.

It seems like there was a thread about this in the past. If not I can provide pictures later.

Larry Crandell

Thanks Larry for setting us all straight!

Phonohound, does your bracket have some stamp on the underside such as Larry describes?

Phonolair wrote:
The early Edison cranes are marked on the bracket that fits under the motor board. S Standard, H Home, T Triumph. These brackets are also different lengths as are the top support rods.
If you notice these early cranes are not adjustable. You have the straight upright rod and then the support rod that fit into it. No adjustment other than different length upper support rods. The Standard is the shortest and the Triumph is the longest.
When the newer Edison crane came around with the bent upright rod, than the adjustment was in the upper support rod being pulled in and out. These later crane setups are not marked.

It seems like there was a thread about this in the past. If not I can provide pictures later.

Larry Crandell

Yep - - in the early days of the Edison cranes (1907), the Utica Crane Company offered an adjustment device for them:
I have a couple of the crane brackets stamped with the model letter. But I hadn't heard of the crane feet being stamped.

George P.

phonohound wrote:This pic shows what looks to be the same crane. I don't know what would be different about it.

There's no upper adjustment on yours.

George P.

Thanks everyone. This crane came from an Edison Home. There is no marking or stamp anywhere with a model designation.

Both of the photos (hopefully attached) show an adjustable component halfway down on the angled part of the arm which I don't see in the photos of the one for sale. I'm assuming this is for adjusting to the different lengths of the horns.

That's correct.

George P.

Okay, here is a picture of the "T" bracket alongside an "S." The second photo shows the "T" installed on my Triumph. The "T" is quite a bit longer to support the Triumph's thicker walls. Also it's longer, because the wide molding on the base of the Triumph causes the crane foot to sit farther out than on a Standard or Home. A Standard or Home bracket will not fit on a Triumph. I don't think that I've seen one marked with an "H."

On my Triumph, I am using this "T" bracket with an original crane that may have come from a Standard. This setup works even with a big horn, though the crane really needs to be a little longer and I'm probably pushing it a bit. The bracket seems to be the most vital part of this setup.

Mike

Here's the bracket from a Home:

George P.

Thanks, George. Do you know if there are any physical differences between a Standard "S" bracket, and a Home "H" bracket?

Mike