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epigramophone wrote:This period advertisement makes it clear that the Actuelle records were lateral cut and that, for a while, the same titles were also available in Pathé vertical cut versions.

The 10" and 12" records were available in both formats until 1922. So, about two years.

OrthoSean wrote: The 20 inch Pathé discs were all etched label inside start discs meant for the Concert machine as far as I know.

Sean

One of my 20" Pathé records has a paper label. It's the first style paper label that resembles the etched label.

Whistling Rufus, played by Empire Orchestra 77519

The ghost of the Mayor by the band of H.M. Kings Colonials 77649

First of these I've seen, neat! Is it outside or inside start? That label looks almost like a facsimile of the etched label, which is also new to me.

Sean

It's an inside start like the etched label discs Sean.

Shane, you're back!

gramophoneshane wrote:It's an inside start like the etched label discs Sean.

I have one or two centre start Pathé discs with paper labels, and have always assumed that they date from the period of transition to edge start, around 1915.

epigramophone wrote:I have one or two centre start Pathé discs with paper labels, and have always assumed that they date from the period of transition to edge start, around 1915.

They must have been very short-lived, like the first Edison paper labels, I'd assume. I've got a boat load of Pathé discs of all sizes and types, but I've never seen that label before, nor have I ever heard of a reference to these. Learned something new, love it!

Sean

Here are a couple of my centre start paper labels. On the larger one, evidence of an etched label can be seen beneath the paper one!
I had never noticed that until today.

OrthoSean wrote: The 20 inch Pathé discs were all etched label inside start discs meant for the Concert machine as far as I know.

Sean

The 20-inch (50 cm) Pathés were also issued with a black paper label. I have some of these. There is also a 16-inch later Pathé record, issued in the 20s with a white paper label, vertical cut and edge started.

CarlosV wrote:There is also a 16-inch later Pathé record, issued in the 20s with a white paper label, vertical cut and edge started.

I have a couple of the 16 inch discs. It's just the inside start paper label Pathé discs that I've never seen or heard of.

Sean