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Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:54 am
by Brad
When I install a new spring, I have an open tub of grease and a disposable 1" paint brush. As I am working the spring around and into the barrel, I pause and use the brush to paint grease on the inner side of the spring for the next 1-2 feet of the spring that is about to go into the barrel. By greasing the inner side of the spring, the grease does not get removed by your glove as you work it around and in. When the spring in all installed, the entire length of the spring is greased.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:04 pm
by gramophoneshane
I put a heaped tablespoon full of grease in the bottom of the barrel & spread it roughly around, then I load the spring in dry. As the coils entre the barrel, they seem to pick up grease off the bottom.
Once the spring is completely in, then I load half the remaining space in the centre coils with grease, so it's half grease half air
The first time you wind the motor, the grease gets distributed evenly over the coils.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:22 am
by antique1973
dennman6 wrote:This thread makes me think about attempting a regreasing of springs myself...on a 1926 Victor Credenza that has a FOUR-spring motor. Walt Sommers did a beautiful restoration on the Orthophonic soundbox in May, so the Credenza sounds excellent now. BUT-it thumps a little when it plays, which tells me it needs a cleaning & new grease. Holds steady, true speed though. Having never tried this, I'm thinking of getting a copy of "The Complete Talking Machine". I've seen & downloaded an Edison service guide on spring removal, but that was a two-spring machine. I have the motorboard of an Amberola VIII out in the garage on the workbench-I could start experimenting with that. Then I have a 1926 Brunswick Panatrope 106 portable with a single-spring motor-I COULD graduate to that. And then would come the Credenza...maybe. The manual labor & messy greasiness of the job doesn't deter me,but handling all four springs in the proper sequence seems a tad daunting. One false move & I've screwed up a beautiful machine. How many of you have gone beyond the two-spring motors to three and four-spring machines?
Dennis Forkel
I have not tried a 4 spring yet but its the same barrels, you just have two to
contend with. If you can do a 2 spring Victor you can do the 4 spring, its just
twice as much work.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:29 am
by antique1973
gramophoneshane wrote:I put a heaped tablespoon full of grease in the bottom of the barrel & spread it roughly around, then I load the spring in dry. As the coils entre the barrel, they seem to pick up grease off the bottom.
Once the spring is completely in, then I load half the remaining space in the centre coils with grease, so it's half grease half air
The first time you wind the motor, the grease gets distributed evenly over the coils.
Shane, I will try your method. I am too lazy to use a brush like Brad does.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:46 am
by alang
gramophoneshane wrote:I put a heaped tablespoon full of grease in the bottom of the barrel & spread it roughly around, then I load the spring in dry. As the coils entre the barrel, they seem to pick up grease off the bottom.
Once the spring is completely in, then I load half the remaining space in the centre coils with grease, so it's half grease half air
The first time you wind the motor, the grease gets distributed evenly over the coils.
Thanks Shane. I'll try that next time. Handling dry springs should be much easier than pre-greased.
Andreas
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:36 pm
by gramophoneshane
antique1973 wrote:
I have not tried a 4 spring yet but its the same barrels, you just have two to
contend with. If you can do a 2 spring Victor you can do the 4 spring, its just
twice as much work.
So true
Just remember there's no law to say you
have to do all 4 springs in one sitting. You can do the first 2, then wait an hour, a day, a week or a month if you're not breaking your neck to get the machine up & running, before tackling the next barrel.
I usually draw a rough diagram to remind me which way the springs were loaded, but with this new fangled invention, the digital camera, it's probably just as easy to take a couple photos- especially if you have a caring partner with clean hands to push the shutter button.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:50 pm
by gramophoneshane
alang wrote:
Thanks Shane. I'll try that next time. Handling dry springs should be much easier than pre-greased.
Andreas
It also leaves both hands free to concerntrate on keeping control of the spring & barrel.
But really, like many things, there is no 100% right/wrong way of doing it. You just have to choose the best way that you feel comfortable & confident with.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:08 am
by antique1973
gramophoneshane wrote:alang wrote:
Thanks Shane. I'll try that next time. Handling dry springs should be much easier than pre-greased.
Andreas
It also leaves both hands free to concerntrate on keeping control of the spring & barrel.
But really, like many things, there is no 100% right/wrong way of doing it. You just have to choose the best way that you feel comfortable & confident with.
I agree with Shane. I am sure Brad's method is also very effective, and everyone has a slightly different approach.
Re: Working on a Victor VV-IX Spring Problem
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:36 am
by antique1973
By the way, I have since converted to Brad's method. Now I add a small amount of grease
to the barrel, then apply grease by hand as I am winding it back in. After that about
a tablespoon of grease on top. This had optimal results after my last 3 overhauls.