The Talking Machine Forum — For All Antique Phonographs & Recordings

PeterF wrote:Let’s remember the “no politics” bit, please.

Peter,
If you are referring to my post, it is a real stretch to think that a John Galt quote is political... it's from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand... I didn't quote Karl Marx...

Like I said, let’s please leave out the politics. We can discuss this offline if you wish.

I have one of these records, however its black shellac and not red / brown.

Hi

This use of the term "paper" (in this context) is indeed curious - I have also seen it applied to early Lambert celluloid cylinders in some period advertising. I even thought they might have been referring to some interior (protective) wrapping, inside the cardboard tubes. But the patents do not refer to any actual use of paper in the production of the master or copies.

Either there is some kind of unknown technology at play here, or more likely some miscommunication back then, for both cylinders and discs.
This particular disc (disk) was NOT copied from a Berliner source of any kind. It is hard to make out the 3-digit # (used by Vitaphone).

If you are interested in the tangled history of Vitaphone, Standard, and American (and the mysterious - but talented - Joseph W. Jones), there was some useful info in the March 2022 issue of The Antique Phonograph, where the Berliner and Columbia connections are further discussed (and shown).

Allen