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Menophanes wrote:A point which I have often wondered about, and which would of course be important to Roy if he were to acquire any commercial cylinders: – Can these I.C.S. machines, whose default speed was 90 r.p.m., be adjusted to run as fast as 160?

Oliver Mundy.

yes they can and I have done so in the past but can't remember how I did it

Yes, That's a rather desirable Nice old Edison Model "C" Standard ICS machine with Built-In Repeater. In excellent shape too!

According to Frow, The Edison Model "C" Standard was only produced one year only....1908.

Nice score! You lucked out.

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Tony K.

Edison Collector/Restorer

Menophanes wrote:A point which I have often wondered about, and which would of course be important to Roy if he were to acquire any commercial cylinders: – Can these I.C.S. machines, whose default speed was 90 r.p.m., be adjusted to run as fast as 160?

Oliver Mundy.

Yes: just turn the speed up. That's why they had the external speed control.

-Bill

NEFaurora wrote:The Edison Model "C" Standard was only produced one year only....1908.

Not quite actually. Yes, the only need for the model C entertainment machine was in the last days of the two minute cylinder when Edison was fighting litigation based on the endgate patent (amongst others). The endgate-less bedplate became the basis of every following model. The 2 minute Model C continued to be useful for the ICS language machines which needed to record in the 2 minute mode. Edison didn't introduce 4 minute recording for the home until 1912 and ICS didn't use it until (I think) 1915. This example (for example), has the ICS tag that references "Thomas A. Edison, Inc" which supplanted the National Phonograph Co. in 1911.

Regards,
Martin

Menophanes wrote:A point which I have often wondered about, and which would of course be important to Roy if he were to acquire any commercial cylinders: – Can these I.C.S. machines, whose default speed was 90 r.p.m., be adjusted to run as fast as 160?

Oliver Mundy.

Original Edison sales literature and advertisements that promoted the ICS phonographs often made specific mention that they could be used for both ICS Language cylinders as well as regular entertainment records . I too wondered the same question until I bought an ICS model C about five years ago -- it can readily play at either 90 or 160 by adjustment of the speed regulating screw . Regards Dulcetto

This is all quite interesting and fascinating. I really appreciate the education. Obviously, I have an incredible love and appreciation for this Edison, simply due to its family history. But, it's a nice bonus to have it also be a quality antique and part of the early days of recordings. This forum will certainly be my go-to for future questions, as I explore getting this Edison up and running.

ROYSINATRA wrote:This is all quite interesting and fascinating. I really appreciate the education. Obviously, I have an incredible love and appreciation for this Edison, simply due to its family history. But, it's a nice bonus to have it also be a quality antique and part of the early days of recordings. This forum will certainly be my go-to for future questions, as I explore getting this Edison up and running.

I posted about my ICS machine a while back. You may find the responses useful as it goes into more detail about when and why these machines were made.

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Thanks! Great information!!