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Thank you Curt, I will have a 'play' when I find some donor spring!
Jerry

You might do well to source some new, annealed, 1095, (or maybe 1075), spring steel from an industrial supplier. It will be easier to shape. Then you can temper your finished product. It's always nicer to begin with a clean slate, than to make something over out of something else.

In the U.S., I would suggest McMaster-Carr. In the U.K., I don't know....

https://www.mcmaster.com/metals/steel/s ... el-sheets/


How do you intend to form the dimple on the end?

Thank you Jerry,
It looks as if I can get flat strip annealed spring steel in the UK but it does not mention 1075 or 95. What does this signify?
There is a VPN reference of 150-200.
Would this be OK?
All the Best
Jerry

Jerry,
To form the dimple I had thought about shaping a punch and stamping it.
Jerry

flying500 wrote:Thank you Jerry,
It looks as if I can get flat strip annealed spring steel in the UK but it does not mention 1075 or 95. What does this signify?
There is a VPN reference of 150-200.
Would this be OK?
All the Best
Jerry

The "95" and "75" in 1095/1075 denotes the amount of carbon in the steel. A typical spring steel would be 1095. A less aggressive, lighter duty, spring might be made from 1075. As for 150-200, that sounds like a European steel designation that I'm not familiar with.

To form the dimple, I would suggest 2 pieces of steel. One, with a somewhat shallow hole drilled in it. The other, with another hole, drilled of a diameter & depth commensurate to hold a small ball bearing of the same size as that which fits into the dimple when installed on the reproducer. The hole in the first steel plate would be of a diameter that the convex side of the dimple would nest nicely in. Placing the spring blank between the two plates and clamping in a vise would cause the ball bearing to impress the dimple into the spring stock. The depth at which the bearing is inserted in the steel plate would regulate the depth that it impresses into the spring stock. Obviously, some alignment would need to be maintained between the ball bearing in the one plate, and the shallow drilled hole in the other.

It might be best to make a series of such dimples as a first step, then drill the hole, locating its position off of the dimple. Next, basically cut & form the rest of the spring around the dimple & hole. Doing the dimple and hole first, before it's cut out of the spring steel, makes it easier to hold an otherwise small, delicate part.

I have made a couple of 'New' springs thank you for the advice.
It now works as it should and sounds really nice.
Pre tempering

Impressive workmanship on making the springs. Glad you could get it working!

Congratulations, they look very professional! You can experiment with varying the screw pressure and/or putting thin rubber or leather washers in between the parts.

flying500 wrote:Thank you Orchorsol,

I think I may have to attempt to make one /two in brass.
I guess that it should work as the replacements for EMG boxes offered on ebay?

It appears that Meltrope made very similar boxes using the same basic casting and springs for Dulcetto at least.

Did your friend pass any photos of the No 2 spring conversion. I would be interested to see the results.

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I have only just looked at this thread and the mention of Dulcetto. Any firm placing a large order for Meltropes could have their name put on the front mask.
I have seen several such variants which would make a collecting sideline in themselves. Here is one made for Antoria :

flying500 wrote:

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I have made a couple of 'New' springs thank you for the advice.
It now works as it should and sounds really nice.

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Pre tempering

Well done ! Can you make two for me ?