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Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:17 am**

JohnM wrote:While we are talking sleeves here, did Berliner discs and other early discs such as Monarchs come in sleeves when they were new?

The soon-to-be-released book by Michael Sherman, The Collector's Guide to Victor Records, shows an 1894 Berliner record sleeve!

George P.

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:25 am**

WOW! Really?! With sleeves debuting that early, one would think that they would have been a no-brainer not only for record protection but as a marketing tool. I wonder what took so long for them to catch on, especially considering that a $1.00 record ca. 1903 cost roughly the equivalent of $24 in 2009 dollars! Protecting the record even minimally with a sleeve should have been a priority, no? No?

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:02 am**

JHolmesesq wrote:HOLY COW BATMAN!

Is it me or does the person playing the piano in your photo now look suspiciously like a man? It's like they avoided copyright trouble by sticking a moustache on her!

I believe the piano player (on both the HMV and Victor sleeves) is supposed to be Paderewski -- http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... mczyk.html

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:07 am**

JHolmesesq wrote:HOLY COW BATMAN!

Is it me or does the person playing the piano in your photo now look suspiciously like a man? It's like they avoided copyright trouble by sticking a moustache on her!

Talkophone, you are correct. That sleeve is pretty rare in Iowa since it comes from a dealership in the UK! I don't know what practice was accross in the US, but here in the UK there were tons of independent dealers who all made their own sleeves advertising what they sold. I've got tons in my record chest

The pianist is supposed to be Ignace Paderewski. He always had a mustache and a little soul patch-ish thing on his chin .

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:02 pm**

JHolmesesq wrote: It's like they avoided copyright trouble by sticking a moustache on her!

Forgot to mention above, if by "they" you mean Victor, keep in mind that the Victor ad campaign "Waiting to Play for You," featuring Paderewski was launched before the Orthophonic Victrola was introduced in 1925, that would be two to three years before the HMV ad featuring the Re-Entrant gramophones.

Also, looking carefully at the HMV ad, I do see a mustache, or at least a shadow representing one. (It's not an ugly lady with a bad hairdo.

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Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:41 pm**

Ortho_Fan wrote:
JHolmesesq wrote: It's like they avoided copyright trouble by sticking a moustache on her!
Forgot to mention above, if by "they" you mean Victor, keep in mind that the Victor ad campaign "Waiting to Play for You," featuring Paderewski was launched before the Orthophonic Victrola was introduced in 1925, that would be two to three years before the HMV ad featuring the Re-Entrant gramophones.

Also, looking carefully at the HMV ad, I do see a mustache, or at least a shadow representing one. (It's not an ugly lady with a bad hairdo. )

Thanks for the info Sean! I'm not too read up on Victor machines at all

After closer inspection I did look at the photo of the man seated at the piano and noticed a distinct lack of breasts

Also, with regards to the Songster sleeves, they definitely ran a range of tips - I used to have one until I trashed it because it ripped.

I've just found another recounting the story of Nipper the HMV dog, but now I'm all "sleeved out" so to speak

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:24 pm**

Here is Edison's....

Posted: **Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:53 pm**

A scene on the back of a 10" Victor record sleeve showing people outside enjoying their Victrola on the front porch. Circa 1920 -Looks like a VV-XIV.

Posted: **Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:23 pm**

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I wonder how many "gramophone hints" there were also?

Back to the search

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There were ten Songster "Gramophone Hints" and a much rarer series entitled "Needle Points". I do not know how many "Needle Points" there were as I have only ever seen No.2.

Posted: **Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:45 pm**

The machine on this sleeve resembles a Re-Entrant HMV, but some fool has put his fist through the fretwork

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