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dzavracky wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:31 pm Yes I would...but I have two problems.

1) Since there has been no other interest in having a replacement grill, I don't want to be out $200+ in veneer just to have extras. Even just making 1 extra for someone would offset the cost of the veneer. At the moment, I don't have that much spending money.

2) I will only have access to this CNC machine for about 4 more weeks. Once I graduate, I won't be going back to my schools woodshop. So I make 10 or so templates and just keep those on hand. I can always buy veneer later, glue it on, and carefully cut the veneer out from the back side of the grill. It will be more work.. but it's really the best option for me at the moment.

David

Hey David,

Fellow younger collector/restorer here. I'm picking up a large selection of uprights (mostly parts machines, trashed cabinets, etc) and no doubt there will be some oak machines that need to be broken up. In this case, your 1a grill would be super authentic! I'll be picking these machines up in late may. Sorry it's not sooner, But I'd love to give you a hand. It would certainly save you some money...

- Ben

Ben the phono man wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:30 pm

dzavracky wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:31 pm Yes I would...but I have two problems.

1) Since there has been no other interest in having a replacement grill, I don't want to be out $200+ in veneer just to have extras. Even just making 1 extra for someone would offset the cost of the veneer. At the moment, I don't have that much spending money.

2) I will only have access to this CNC machine for about 4 more weeks. Once I graduate, I won't be going back to my schools woodshop. So I make 10 or so templates and just keep those on hand. I can always buy veneer later, glue it on, and carefully cut the veneer out from the back side of the grill. It will be more work.. but it's really the best option for me at the moment.

David

Hey David,

Fellow younger collector/restorer here. I'm picking up a large selection of uprights (mostly parts machines, trashed cabinets, etc) and no doubt there will be some oak machines that need to be broken up. In this case, your 1a grill would be super authentic! I'll be picking these machines up in late may. Sorry it's not sooner, But I'd love to give you a hand. It would certainly save you some money...

- Ben

I know the man who runs the woodshop pretty well. I suppose I could try to work something out so that I can go in late May early June. Can you send me any pics of the machines?

Cheers,

David

I think the oval portion is too small. It needs to be stretched out, and the shape of the bottom portion of the lyre isn't quite right. At least it fits in the opening . I will edit this and potentially make another one tomorrow.

And I know it needs a trim piece… it will be made after the grill design is finalized.

David

looks great so far!

dzavracky wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:04 pm I think the oval portion is too small. It needs to be stretched out, and the shape of the bottom portion of the lyre isn't quite right. At least it fits in the opening . I will edit this and potentially make another one tomorrow.

And I know it needs a trim piece… it will be made after the grill design is finalized.

David

Hi David, the oval does look too small, our opening is 14 ⅝" wide by 10 ⅝" tall, there is only 1" of grill left on sides of the opening and just a little more than an inch on the top and bottom. I would have done a tracing for you, but we have never been able to get our grill out. Don't forget you will need a raised wood ring around the opening that may be a bit of a challenge, if you are going to make several I would be interested in purchasing a few. Here is picture of ours Looks great so far Larry.

Notice also that Larry's grill is a bit different as shown below...

Larry,

Thanks for the measurements! That should be enough to get this next one correct.

Updates to follow soon.

David

Well, I am an idiot. I didn't double check the height measurement and forgot to make the width dimension ⅛" wider to account for the endmill diameter. So now the grill is not wide or tall enough. I still have more of the board I cut this one off of.... so I am thinking about gluing more wood onto all 4 sides to fix the dimension issues. Oak is pretty forgiving with this kind of thing if you can line the grain up; so I think I can hide the line pretty well. The trim turned out pretty good though, just need to finish sanding it.

I have enough wood to make another one... but I really don't want to go back to the shop. I am deciding if it is just worth going and making a new one, or trying to fix the one I have?

Oh also one more thing: I hand-drew the spline curves used to draw the rounded part of the lyre. The last section of the curve at the top part of the bottom of the curve is a little straight. So... if I make a new one I can fix the curve before I go CNC it.

Appreciate any feedback.

David

These weren’t quartersawn to begin with — they were riftsawn. Much less expensive.

I've always liked the look of this model.
You're doing a super job!

James.