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Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:24 pm
by osero1ww
AudioFeline wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:35 am
I enjoyed the disk in the video!
I found beeswax in my hardware store in the section with the furniture polishes.
If you have used a lot of the gluestick you will probably find it shrinks in time and will become harder (the evaporation of the moisture). You will probably find that it can be removed by dissolving in water.
Going on a tangent, from using gluesticks as a paper adhesive (intended purpose), I've noticed great variation of quality. Cheap gluesticks are good for a short period (eg. a school project) but don't provide good adhesion in the longer term. I've found the Bostik brand the best quality. And when using it with paper, put it on both surfaces first.
Interesting, I never looked into furniture stores for beeswax, I'll pop my head into a number of them someday to see, although the previous post about PVA seems a more simple approach. I never really saw a difference over here with the quality of the gluesticks, probably because everything here is made cheaply in general. Good thing to know that the glue will dissolve in water. Thanks.
Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:12 am
by Marco Gilardetti
I struggle to understand why so many people seek improper materials in order to do this job improperly, while the correct material is so readily available and the job so easy to do.
Every decent colour shop over here sells beeswax. Bees live also in central Africa and use their wax for their living also over there, so I can hardly understand how local climate of Sapiens may be an issue at all.
Should bees wax in se be a problem, carnauba wax can be properly used instead (again any decent colour shop sells it) or also coloured wax sticks for furniture retouch can be used (once more any decent colour shop carries a vast assortment of them) with which even the backround colour of the soundbox, or of the gaskets, or of the cabinet can be matched.
Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:42 am
by Orchorsol
Marco Gilardetti wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:12 am
I struggle to understand why so many people seek improper materials in order to do this job improperly, while the correct material is so readily available and the job so easy to do.
Every decent colour shop over here sells beeswax. Bees live also in central Africa and use their wax for their living also over there, so I can hardly understand how local climate of Sapiens may be an issue at all.
Should bees wax
in se be a problem, carnauba wax can be properly used instead (again any decent colour shop sells it) or also coloured was sticks for furniture retouch can be used (once more any decent colour shop carries a vast assortment of them) with which even the backround colour of the soundbox, or of the gaskets, or of the cabinet can be matched.
I agree completely! I also feel (admittedly in a completely unscientific way) that the little solidified pool of wax aids the mechanical connection between the needle bar and the diaphragm slightly, in a way that helps the transfer of sonic vibrations.
Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:40 am
by Inigo
Je, je... Beeswax is not ready to find here neither... Or they sell products that include beeswax, but PURE beeswax...???
I've used candle wax (well, ok, it's paraffin or whatever wax like substance), the wax bars for wood repair, pva glue, and even the old red hard sealing wax. This last is too brittle, and tends to fall soon, maybe it doesn't resist well the vibrations...
Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:51 am
by Marco Gilardetti
Inigo wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:40 amthe wax bars for wood repair
That's absolutely appropriate, and as already introduced comes in a wide range of colours that would finely match even the most elegant soundbox!

Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:40 am
by osero1ww
Marco Gilardetti wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:12 am
I struggle to understand why so many people seek improper materials in order to do this job improperly, while the correct material is so readily available and the job so easy to do.
Every decent colour shop over here sells beeswax. Bees live also in central Africa and use their wax for their living also over there, so I can hardly understand how local climate of Sapiens may be an issue at all.
Should bees wax
in se be a problem, carnauba wax can be properly used instead (again any decent colour shop sells it) or also coloured wax sticks for furniture retouch can be used (once more any decent colour shop carries a vast assortment of them) with which even the backround colour of the soundbox, or of the gaskets, or of the cabinet can be matched.
I never knew where to find beeswax, as here a gramophone hobby is extremely weird and out of place. So i never really knew where to find it to begin with. Thanks to some helpful people here, I now know.
Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:40 am
by osero1ww
Orchorsol wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:42 am
Marco Gilardetti wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:12 am
I struggle to understand why so many people seek improper materials in order to do this job improperly, while the correct material is so readily available and the job so easy to do.
Every decent colour shop over here sells beeswax. Bees live also in central Africa and use their wax for their living also over there, so I can hardly understand how local climate of Sapiens may be an issue at all.
Should bees wax
in se be a problem, carnauba wax can be properly used instead (again any decent colour shop sells it) or also coloured was sticks for furniture retouch can be used (once more any decent colour shop carries a vast assortment of them) with which even the backround colour of the soundbox, or of the gaskets, or of the cabinet can be matched.
I agree completely! I also feel (admittedly in a completely unscientific way) that the little solidified pool of wax aids the mechanical connection between the needle bar and the diaphragm slightly, in a way that helps the transfer of sonic vibrations.
Good to know, thanks.
Re: School gluestick alternative?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:47 pm
by JeffR1
Inigo wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:40 am
Je, je... Beeswax is not ready to find here neither... Or they sell products that include beeswax, but PURE beeswax...???
I've used candle wax (well, ok, it's paraffin or whatever wax like substance), the wax bars for wood repair, pva glue, and even the old red hard sealing wax. This last is too brittle, and tends to fall soon, maybe it doesn't resist well the vibrations...
The red sealing wax isn't was at all, it's shellac, that's why it's so hard and brittle.
When I worked in a furniture store, it was sold as stick shellac, and it is just that.
It was used to repair damaged furniture.