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Oh, you guys are great! I'm loving all this data - especially the Spring Motors up to the introduction of the Triumphs. I think that point is where numbering may have changed - we'll see (I hope). And the information on Triumphs (including patent dates) will be a big help to check accuracy.

Bob, I second Steve's request for a photo of that mandrel. I've seen rubber mandrels on some Edison coin-ops; do you think it's possibly one of those?

I didn't foresee our age being an impediment to this research! Should have done this years ago, I guess...

Thanks again to everyone who has responded so far. Send the chiropractor bills to me!

George P.

The composite mandrels I have seen are on the Edison Bell Electric which was the UK's version of the Class M. Only problem is the mandrel shaft on this machine did not have a feed screw on it and it looks shorter than the Class M mandrel shaft. Can't wait to see the picture!!

Some more Triumph information:

1-Model A serial #35066 two minute player just like it left the factory.
2-ID Plate
3-May 31st 1898
4-no
5-no
6-Ball Catch
7-Single screw
8-Motor #21444
9-Solid Gears
10-no
11-Banner decal
12-no

1-Model A serial #39870 converted to 2&4 minute with "O" reproducer and black #11 Cygnet
2-ID Plate
3-Nov 17, 1903
4-no
5-no
6-Ball Catch
7-Sngle Screw
8-Motor #24951
9-Solid Gears
10-no
11-Banner decal
12-no

1-Model B serial #52365 in mahogany case converted to 2&4 minute with "S" reproducer and straight aftermarket mahogany (real wood) horn with a nickel bell.
2-ID Plate
3-Nov 17, 1903
4-no
5-no
6-Locking lug
7-Single screw
8-Motor #42564
9-Solid gears
10-no
11-"Edison"
12-Happy Birthday from DeeDee, 1985

1-Model F serial #90441 in oak case (not Opera style) with original oak woodgrained #11 Cygnet
2-ID Plate
3-May 22, 1906
4-no
5-no
6-no end gate
7-Sincle screw
8-Home style motor - serial #??? (where do I look?)
9-solid gears
10-no
11-"Edison"
12-none


That's all from me. If there are any questions please let me know. Thanks for your efforts. Jerry Blais

George , posted pics of mandrel,I don't think the machine was ever a coin-op,or part of one, The mandrel has a layer of what looks like wax paper,but I think it is some other material, It has a normal feed screw and half nut and bar. Still have not got the triumph info to you, Bob Smock

Thanks for the photos, Bob. I've never seen a mandrel like that. Could be possibly be plaster? Very interesting!

George P.

Bob,

Could you post a picture of the whole upper and lower bed plate?
Thanks!
Steve

George, It appears to be cork,or possibly leather,I will try to get some more pictures, thanks Bob Smock

George,

Here's another Model F for the list:

1-Model F serial #89583 in oak Opera case
2-ID Plate
3-May 22, 1906
4-no
5-no
6-no end gate
7-Single screw
8-Opera Motor
9-Solid gears
10-no
11-Edison
12-none

Chuck

George

Here's another Model F for your list:

1-Model F serial #89583 in oak Opera case
2-ID Plate
3-May 22, 1906
4-no
5-no
6-no end gate
7-Single screw
8-Opera Motor
9-solid gears
10-no
11-Edison
12-none


Chuck

(this may be a duplicate post, not sure if first went in OK)

Thank you, Chuck!

George P.