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January 4, 2007


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A local (to me) Omaha ad for the big victrola dealer here in eastern Nebraska. I wonder where those hundreds of VTLAS and L door XVIs Mr. Mickel sold are at today? : February 12, 1911

An Advertisement for Edison’s short lived Kinetophone: January 25, 1896

Now here’s an article about Edison’s Kinetophone when he tried to bring it back in 1913.

AmberolaAndy wrote:Now here’s an article about Edison’s Kinetophone when he tried to bring it back in 1913.

Those are two different "Kinetophones." The 1896 announcement refers to the projector, which was sold in commercial and home forms for many years. The 1913 incarnation was the commercial Kinetophone system, whereby sound was synchronized with the picture. That survived only a few months.

George P.

phonogfp wrote:

AmberolaAndy wrote:Now here’s an article about Edison’s Kinetophone when he tried to bring it back in 1913.

Those are two different "Kinetophones." The 1896 announcement refers to the projector, which was sold in commercial and home forms for many years. The 1913 incarnation was the commercial Kinetophone system, whereby sound was synchronized with the picture. That survived only a few months.

George P.

Interesting. Have you had the chance to see a working example of either one?

Vermont collector : October 3, 1970

AmberolaAndy wrote:

phonogfp wrote:

AmberolaAndy wrote:Now here’s an article about Edison’s Kinetophone when he tried to bring it back in 1913.

Those are two different "Kinetophones." The 1896 announcement refers to the projector, which was sold in commercial and home forms for many years. The 1913 incarnation was the commercial Kinetophone system, whereby sound was synchronized with the picture. That survived only a few months.

George P.

Interesting. Have you had the chance to see a working example of either one?

Yes, although I have not seen either type operating. A few Edison Home Kinetophones have shown up at phonograph shows over the years.

Here's the 1913 Edison Kinetophone currently at the Thomas Edison National Historic Park in West Orange, NJ: (Click on the image twice to enlarge and sharpen.)

George P.

phonogfp wrote:

AmberolaAndy wrote:Now here’s an article about Edison’s Kinetophone when he tried to bring it back in 1913.

Those are two different "Kinetophones." The 1896 announcement refers to the projector, which was sold in commercial and home forms for many years. The 1913 incarnation was the commercial Kinetophone system, whereby sound was synchronized with the picture. That survived only a few months.

George P.

The 1896 post does tout the combination of the Kinetoscope and the Phonograph, which is interesting: after all, Edison tried to combine the two early on, in the famous "dancers" film. Did this early exhibition use cylinders dubbed for the purpose, I wonder?

- Bill

Lucius1958 wrote:
The 1896 post does tout the combination of the Kinetoscope and the Phonograph, which is interesting: after all, Edison tried to combine the two early on, in the famous "dancers" film. Did this early exhibition use cylinders dubbed for the purpose, I wonder?

- Bill

Reading the descriptions of the features, and the fact that the show was mounted by a private exhibitor, it's more likely that the records played were regular cataloged titles such as The Night Alarm, an appropriate march played by Sousa's Band, The Anvil Chorus, and some light orchestral music and a Spanish dance by Issler's Orchestra. Such combined film and sound, although not synchronized, was pretty common in the later 1890s and early 1900s.

George P.

phonogfp wrote: Yes, although I have not seen either type operating. A few Edison Home Kinetophones have shown up at phonograph shows over the years.

Here's the 1913 Edison Kinetophone currently at the Thomas Edison National Historic Park in West Orange, NJ: (Click on the image twice to enlarge and sharpen.)

George P.

Any of the members here own one of these BA records for the machine, or did they play at a different speed than normal BAs?

Unrelated to this discussion: Zon-o-phone discs used rubber in 1900? I thought that was the thing early 5 inch berliners had?