C250/C19 Database project

[NEFaurora]

Fran, I have to get you my C-19 numbers... It's a late 1926 Model. Currently, My Amberola 50 is resting on top of it with a vinyl mat underneath the 50... I'll have to move it for you.

I also have a bunch of digital pics with C-250's and C-19's as well.

)

Tony K.

Edison Collector/Restorer

[fran604g]

Fran, I have to get you my C-19 numbers... It's a late 1926 Model. Currently, My Amberola 50 is resting on top of it with a vinyl mat underneath the 50... I'll have to move it for you.

I also have a bunch of digital pics with C-250's and C-19's as well.

)

Tony K.

Edison Collector/Restorer

Thanks, Tony, I don't need the pictures.

The information specific to your C-19 is all I'm really interested in, when you find the time.

Best,
Fran

[BwanaJoe]

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19)

C19

2. Serial Number:

SM 113451

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N

No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None

Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example)

Missing from the cabinet. Replaced it with "Diamond Disc Official Labratory Model. Thos A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?

Shelves.

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?

Oak.

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N

No.

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine

None.

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy):

7/29/21. Boggs & Buhl. Cash Recd: $500. Total Sale: $300. Sold by clerk 242.

11. Grille cloth? Color?

Missing.

12) Is the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the turntable gold plated or gun-metal?

Gold.

13) Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center shelf or the bottom of the cabinet?

Rod is in the middle of the cabinet.

14) Are the numbered strips for the record storage 1-36 on both strips or 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

Missing.

15) Does the governor have 2 springs or 3 springs?

2.


Inside the cabinet is a sticker "Edison No. 33 Cabinet Factory Form 2430"
There is also a chalk 13 on the inside left wall and a chalk 12 on the bottom of the trim board that goes around the motor.
The motor base plate has an etched "FF 3737" on top to the left of the spindle.


Hope this helps.

Edit: on the bottom of the base plate is an irregular stamped number "C 82301".

Reproducer SN: B83587

[fran604g]

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19)

C19

2. Serial Number:

SM 113451

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N

No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None

Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example)

Missing from the cabinet. Replaced it with "Diamond Disc Official Labratory Model. Thos A Edison"

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?

Shelves.

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?

Oak.

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N

No.

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine

None.

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy):

7/29/21. Boggs & Buhl. Cash Recd: $500. Total Sale: $300. Sold by clerk 242.

11. Grille cloth? Color?

Missing.

12) Is the reproducer, horn throat, and other hardware on the turntable gold plated or gun-metal?

Gold.

13) Is the record storage door held open by a rod at the top, center shelf or the bottom of the cabinet?

Rod ion the middle of the cabinet.

14) Are the numbered strips for the record storage 1-36 on both strips or 1-36 on the top strip and 37-72 on the bottom strip?

Missing.

15) Does the governor have 2 springs or 3 springs?

2.

Thank you! Your sales receipt is really wonderful, dating specific Chippendales has been particularly challenging for me.

Best,
Fran

[fran604g]

Inside the cabinet is a sticker "Edison No. 33 Cabinet Factory Form 2430"
There is also a chalk 13 on the inside left wall and a chalk 12 on the bottom of the trim board that goes around the motor.
The motor base plate has an etched "FF 3737" on top to the left of the spindle.


Hope this helps.

Edit: on the bottom of the base plate is an irregular stamped number "C 82301".

Reproducer SN: B83587

Thank you, Joe! I've noticed that at some point the Edison No.33 Cabinet Factory paper labels show up, but I don't understand the relevance, yet. I've seen many, many No.18 and No.33 labels. If I had to guess, the chalk is a cabinet makers mark, or assemblers mark. I've seen marks similar to this on furniture and other cabinet-type goods, but can't be certain.

I have a hunch that the FFxxxx markings may have been a casting code, but I have no idea what any of the stamped numbers mean. They don't seem to correlate to the serialized unit, they may have served an in-house inventory or assembly need. Maybe some sort of an inspection mark. Who knows? I hope I can say with certainty, someday.

Maybe someone with more knowledge of these obscurities will chime in with an answer.

Best,
Fran

[Lucius1958]

1. Model Designation: C250

2. Serial No. 7265

3. Bedplate pinstriping: yes

4. "Official Laboratory" medallion: pentagonal

5. Exact wording: "The $250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model - Thos A Edison"

6. Record storage type: Drawers

7. Cabinet wood type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop? No

9. Dealer tag: "Established 1852 / O. STILLMAN'S / Westerly, R.I."*

10. Original dated sales receipt/etc.: None

11. Grille cloth: Green (from what remnants I could find)

Bill

*Incidentally, I know where that building is still standing: I see it frequently….

Edit:

12. Gold plated

13. Bottom

14. N/A

15. 2 spring

[fran604g]

*Incidentally, I know where that building is still standing: I see it frequently….

Edit:

12. Gold plated

13. Bottom

14. N/A

15. 2 spring

Thank you, Bill, for the update.

Seeing your original post jogged my memory. A couple of months ago I purchased a small Edison Chippendale promotional booklet titled, The Music-Masters Conversion."

On the back is stamped, "O. Stillman's - Established 1852 - Westerly, R.I." I bought it simply because of the C-250/C19 related interest. I did a little digging at the time, and discovered that the "O" was for Orsemus, and also found an article from April 5, 1917 announcing the sale of his bookstore in Dixon Square.

Best,
Fran

[Lucius1958]

*Incidentally, I know where that building is still standing: I see it frequently….

Edit:

12. Gold plated

13. Bottom

14. N/A

15. 2 spring

Thank you, Bill, for the update.

Seeing your original post jogged my memory. A couple of months ago I purchased a small Edison Chippendale promotional booklet titled, The Music-Masters Conversion."

On the back is stamped, "O. Stillman's - Established 1852 - Westerly, R.I." I bought it simply because of the C-250/C19 related interest. I did a little digging at the time, and discovered that the "O" was for Orsemus, and also found an article from April 5, 1917 announcing the sale of his bookstore in Dixon Square.

Best,
Fran

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Thanks for that!

I have for some time been meaning to go over to the Westerly Library, to see whether they have any period photos of the interior of Stillman's, especially their phono department...

Bill

[BwanaJoe]

From a machine I just looked at here locally:

1. Model Designation: (C-250 or C-19)

C250

2. Serial Number:

SM 72528

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Y/N

N

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round/Pentagonal/None

Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Please be precise (Abbreviated signature, for example)

The model C250 Diamond Disc phonogragh is the official laboratory model. Thos A Edison

6. Record Storage: Drawers or Shelves?

Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany or Oak?

Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: Y/N

N

9. Dealer Tag: Name/Address, Location On Machine

None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: (Dates are particularly noteworthy):

None

11. Grille cloth? Color?

Missing


Inside the cabinet is a sticker "Edison No. 19 Cabinet Factory Form 840".
Reproducer hold down still in place front left of horn area.
Rear left of horn area has a black metal L shaped bracket between the rear and left side walls.

Data plate is C19 style: "Same style but no color, white or black."
Motor plate is etched on top with M8506 left of center toward the top.

[fran604g]

From a machine I just looked at here locally:

Thank you, Joe!

This serial number falls into the late (C250) transitional period, when the C250 exhibited the C19 style dataplate - still stamped with the C250 designation.

Did you happen to notice if the dataplate was the C19 style - Gold background with black lettering (white lettering if the black print is worn off) - like the one I have pictured below?

Best,
Fran