Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire

[Wes K]

Thanks Wes.

If you supply me with your last name, I'll include you in future acknowledgements.

George P.

I think this is the third machine I've added to this list, so you should have me already!

[rgordon939]

My Edison Spring Motor

1) Serial number 7428
2) raised boss
3) NA
4) 2 screws
5) Yes
6). ball catch
7) nickeled clips
8) Motor number 2574
9) spoked
10) Edison - Spring Motor - For Phonograph - Patented Oct 27,1896 Jan 5, 1897
11) drawer
12) No
Also has a National Phonograph Banner Crank


Richard Gordon

[MikeB]

I own two:

Triumph Model B
1) Serial number 73526
2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? plate
3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? May 22, 1906
4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriage rides) have 2 screws? no
5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulley wheels? no
6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a locking lug? lug
7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, or a single screw at 2:00 position? screw at 2:00
8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): 58100
9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? solid
10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly does it say? none
11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal, or an “Edison” script decal? script decal
12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? no

Triumph Model D
1) Serial number: 76563
2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? plate
3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? May 22, 1906
4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriage rides) have 2 screws? no
5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulley wheels? no
6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a locking lug? no endgate
7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, or a single screw at 2:00 position? screw at 2:00
8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): 69818
9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? solid
10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly does it say? none
11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal, or an “Edison” script decal? script decal
12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? no

[FellowCollector]

Edison Spring Motor

1) Serial number (found on top): 5263
2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? Raised boss
3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? There are no ID plates and I see no holes where ID plate(s) were ever attached to this machine.
4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriage rides) have 2 screws? Yes
5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulley wheels? Yes
6) Which secures the end gate; a ball catch, or a locking lug? Ball catch
7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, or a single screw at 2:00 position? This has the early "C" clamp with "United States Phono. Co. Newark NJ" and "Pat App'd For" stamped into it
8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): 1678
9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? Spoked
10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly does it say? No plates anywhere on this machine
11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal, or an “Edison” script decal? Drawer
12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? No

Notes:
a. This Spring Motor has a plate on the crank indicating "National Phono Co. Orange N.J."
b. The motor has spherical governor weights that are nickel plated (makes for a pretty "look" when it's running).
c. Along with the nickel plated "C" clamp the carriage also has a nickel plated adjustment screw and an early "pinched" end thumb screw to secure the Automatic reproducer.
d. The Automatic reproducer adjustment arm (or wing) is completely blank (not stamped) and it appears to be factory released this way.

I have several (maybe seven?) Edison Triumphs but they're not easily accessible so I'll try to list those at some point in the future if it's not too late.

Thanks!

Doug

[rgordon939]

Nice low number Spring Motor Machine also. Can you post a picture or two. Thanks

Rich Gordon

[phonogfp]

Thanks Rich, Mike, and Doug. Who would have thought that this 6 ½ year old thread would see new life? Several of the additions have proven helpful in narrowing transition periods.

Mike, if you'd like to be included in future acknowledgements, please let me know your last name!

Thanks again,
George P.

[MikeB]

I will add that my Triumph D above, serial number 76563, features this interesting slide-out carriage lift, as pictured.

Also my Triumph B has had a 2/4 minute conversion.

Mike Bricker

[phonogfp]

Thanks Mike.

I've seen that odd carriage lift on a number of later Triumphs (never a Home), but they're a puzzle to me.

George P.

[epigramophone]

Thanks very much, Roger. Yours is the earliest Triumph I've recorded so far, and it narrowed the gap between Spring Motor and Triumph by about 1000 units!

George P.

Just out of curiosity, is my Triumph 30360 still the earliest on your database?

[phonogfp]

Thanks very much, Roger. Yours is the earliest Triumph I've recorded so far, and it narrowed the gap between Spring Motor and Triumph by about 1000 units!

George P.

Just out of curiosity, is my Triumph 30360 still the earliest on your database?

Yes it is!

George P.