C250/C19 Database project

[A Ford 1]

Hi, I have a 250 that I picked up in a junk yard in the 1960 time frame for $20. It was missing the reproducer, grill and crank. It is in such bad shape missing wood trim and veneer that I had to remove the data plate and abrade it with scotch bright to find 32H19 SM173825, the last patented date is May 23, 1916. There is no gold striping but trade signature mark in gold appears in the back right hand area of the black bed plate. The part of the horn extending above the bed plate is blue or black stripped bronze, the sound modifier ball is missing and was operated by the horizontal movement of tab. It has the 10 and 12 inch stop buttons, does not to my knowledge have long play gearing, and has a mechanical stop operated by the position of the horn or tone arm. It has two rows of vertical storage for records numbered 1-36 and 37-72 and a rod at the top of the door. The wood is died a walnut brown and may be walnut or mahogany. It is of course a Chippendale case. I would like to know how to find your data to date. I will be having a similar phonograph delivered from Stanton at a later date.
Hope this helps,
Allen

[A Ford 1]

Hi,
I forgot to say the turn table has brown felt.
Allen

[fran604g]

Hello Allen, thank you for your participation, I will enter your information into my database.

I don't understand the "32H19" part of the dataplate, unless it indicates the original (C19) dataplate was switched with one from an "H19" (Hepplewhite)?

Interestingly, the serial number you provided does fit into the types of features you have described to me, as the "gun metal" finish and record storage shelves labeled with 1-36 and 37-72 were indeed very late features of the C19.

As for precisely dating your machine, unfortunately I am not able to do that at this time, but I'm hopeful I'll be able to in the future. I'm still collecting and analyzing data, and I don't have any "hard and fast" factory production data to help do this.

I can give you a broad estimate of manufacture likely from after 1926 and before 1929. The last three years of manufacturing for the Chippendales appears to have dropped precipitously, but I really can't accurately determine how this trend manifested over those final three years. The Schubert and Edisonic likely had an effect on Chippendale sales/manufacture, but I don't know how significant the impact may have been.

Best,
Fran

[A Ford 1]

Hi Again,
I noticed I neglected some info. so here it is in your format. Yes the data plate was not the correct one but when I sent the data I was not aware of the significance of the H but that is what is on the plate.
1. C-19 but plate lists 32H19
2. 173825
3. none
4. none
5. NA
6. shelves
7. Mahogany or Walnut medium to light brown
8. no
9. no
10. NA
11. missing
12. gunmetal
13. yes
14. 1-36, 37-72
15. the governor has three weights and springs
16. 2 springs power the motor
17. no speed control
18. brown felt on turn table
19. 10" and 12" stops for record start
20. After removing the turntable I found engraved in the bed plate 89085 hat hat. I have heard
a small upside down v called a hat or carrot sign when it is over a character by various
mathematicians in this case the inverted v is full size.

[A Ford 1]

Hi Fran,
I am to new and green regarding personal computers to send you a photo via the forum (I just do not know how). I am sure my wife can do it via an email if I know give me same. also, if you give me an address I could mail it to you. I have puled the table and am going to get the camera from my wife to take the picture.
Allen

[A Ford 1]

Hi Fran,
My apologies in attempting to take the picture I see that I was mistaken there are three weights and springs not four. Sorry for the alarm I might have caused.
Allen

[fran604g]

Hi Fran,
My apologies in attempting to take the picture I see that I was mistaken there are three weights and springs not four. Sorry for the alarm I might have caused.
Allen

Ah, that makes more sense, thank you Allen! I sent you a PM, you may not want to openly share your personal information on the board, better safe than sorry!

Best,
Fran

[BwanaJoe]

This guy has been drinking too many hurricanes but here is another machine for the database: http://neworleans.craigslist.org/atd/5045507208.html.

The medallion says 250 but the tag says C19. And it has drawers.

[A Ford 1]

Hi All,
I have in past posts said I am new to the organization and I never said the DD had a medallion and in my defense I initially thought all Chippendale two spring motor machines were 250s. The machine is a C-19 and if you notice my listing states 4)none, 5) N.A. The plate 32H19 is the one I removed and cleaned it may have been mistakenly installed at the factory or switched at a later date but it is the plate that came installed in the machine and did not appear to have been tampered with.

Thank you all for your support, the great information you supply in our publication, kind thoughts, and as a retired Mechanical Engineer your technical critical comments,
Allen

p.s. I have been retired over 20 years and only had a computer for about a year and it was not until recently that I discovered the fact that there are more than one page to the posts but I am in a slow process of learning.

[fran604g]

This guy has been drinking too many hurricanes but here is another machine for the database: http://neworleans.craigslist.org/atd/5045507208.html.

The medallion says 250 but the tag says C19. And it has drawers.

Thanks bunches, Joe!

This C19 is particularly interesting because it is not only a "transitional" Chippendale that was produced during the time period in which some of the features of both the C250 and the C19 were present, but also it has the elusive two-drawer individual-slot record storage system that were numbered with indices 1-37 on both sides of the tops of both drawers. It seems that Frow attempts to describe this short-lived feature somewhat confusingly as a "vertical silicate index" on pg. 116 in The Edison Disc Phonographs and the Diamond Discs. Perhaps he never actually viewed this feature, but came across a description of it in some manufacturing documentation?

Interestingly, all three such C19's I've observed with this feature were found in "Golden Oak" cabinets.

It is my firm belief that his statements pertaining to the C250 and C19 record storage systems have led to the considerable confusion expressed by many when attempting to assess the various record storage systems used in the Chippendale C250/C19 Phonograph.

Best,
Fran