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FloridaClay wrote:

kirtley2012 wrote:Okay, that is IT!!!!, I am moving to the USA

The show looked great, as always!

You are welcome any time Alex. The more phonograph aficionados here the better. Opps, no, wait a minute. That would mean more competition.

Clay

I can say that if I did that my wallet would be so light that I would have to tie it down with a string to stop it floating away.

The photo of the "Victor Toy" machine puzzles me - the trademark logo on the horn, to be specific. The logo is obviously old, but is it original? Parts of the machine, such as the turntable felt, the horn support and the wood finish appear to me to possibly be later restorations. I am no Victor expert, so I thought the Toy was made so early that it preceded the Victor trademark logo that was inspired by the later trademark machine. Was the Toy made so long after the introduction of the spring powered models that the logo would have been adapted to later examples of the Toy?

VintageTechnologies wrote:The photo of the "Victor Toy" machine puzzles me - the trademark logo on the horn, to be specific. The logo is obviously old, but is it original? Parts of the machine, such as the turntable felt, the horn support and the wood finish appear to me to possibly be later restorations. I am no Victor expert, so I thought the Toy was made so early that it preceded the Victor trademark logo that was inspired by the later trademark machine. Was the Toy made so long after the introduction of the spring powered models that the logo would have been adapted to later examples of the Toy?

Well, according to the Compendium, the 'Toy' Gramophone was sold as late as 1900…


Bill

Lucius1958 wrote:

VintageTechnologies wrote:The photo of the "Victor Toy" machine puzzles me - the trademark logo on the horn, to be specific. The logo is obviously old, but is it original? Parts of the machine, such as the turntable felt, the horn support and the wood finish appear to me to possibly be later restorations. I am no Victor expert, so I thought the Toy was made so early that it preceded the Victor trademark logo that was inspired by the later trademark machine. Was the Toy made so long after the introduction of the spring powered models that the logo would have been adapted to later examples of the Toy?

Well, according to the Compendium, the 'Toy' Gramophone was sold as late as 1900…


Bill

The "Toy" Gramophone shown on page 96 of the Compendium is the early version. Part of the caption specifies the time frame: "The $3.00 'Toy' Gramophone with celluloid plate as sold by Eldridge Johnson in the August-November 1900 period."

The later example pictured on page 109 is like the one sold at Wayne. The caption states in part: "By the time this Victor 'Toy' was built in 1901-1902, the catalogue referred to it as the '$3.00 Victor'."

These "Toy" machines were supplied with the first double-sided disc record available to the public: "A Record For The Children" (A-490/A-491). This record was not in the regular catalogue and not known to have been available for separate sale. The paper labels found on this disc range from the Johnson "Improved" to the Victor Talking Machine Co. (7") "Victor Monarch Record." There may be 1st Dog labels on this disc, but I don't recall ever seeing one.

George P.

The Victor Data Book lists both 3 dollar and 6 dollar Victor toys. It appears both Compendium pictures of a 3 dollar model (one Eldridge Johnson, the other Victor)? What does a 6 dollar Victor toy look like?

The Victor Data Book lists both 3 dollar and 6 dollar Victor toys. It appears both Compendium pictures of a 3 dollar model (one Eldridge Johnson, the other Victor)? What does a 6 dollar Victor toy look like?

The $6 Toy is essentially the same as the $3 Toy, except with the addition of the same traveling arm, support arm and horn used on the Victor A. It was also called the Victor D, but should not be confused with later Victor Ds which were deluxe talking machines.