19626, the Mask & Wig Club record, is often bantered about as the first electrical that Victor released. Not recorded, but recorded and released first.
"A Miniature Concert" by The Eight Popular Victor Artists, was recorded earlier than the M & W C, on February 26, 1925, but released later, around summer of 1925. I think it's the first electrical that Victor recorded that was released, albeit a little later on.
19621 was recorded March 4, 1925.
19626 was recorded March 16 and 20.
Re: Victor's switch from batwing to scroll: at what number?
19626, the Mask & Wig Club record, is often bantered about as the first electrical that Victor released. Not recorded, but recorded and released first.
"A Miniature Concert" by The Eight Popular Victor Artists, was recorded earlier than the M & W C, on February 26, 1925, but released later, around summer of 1925. I think it's the first electrical that Victor recorded that was released, albeit a little later on.
19621 was recorded March 4, 1925.
19626 was recorded March 16 and 20.
That record A Miniature Concert is actually a lot of fun to listen to!
Re: Victor's switch from batwing to scroll: at what number?
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:56 pm
by Governor Flyball
I recall Canadian Victor issued 19571A in early 1925 with a recording of Jack Shilkret and Orchestra recorded electrically in Montreal on 23 January 1925. It was apparently marked not for sale.
Watch "JACK SHILKRET VE PROCESS - YOU AND I " on YouTube https://youtu.be/Ay6CLx86u0g
Canadian Victor from mid 1925 labelled the new Western Electric recordings for sale with VE Process on the batwing label. From 1926 the label was marked Victor Orthophonic.
Note in Canada, the batwing label lasted to about 1949.
Re: Victor's switch from batwing to scroll: at what number?
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:17 pm
by Wolfe
DAHR has this as recorded acoustically in New York on January 22. The YouTube does say that Shilkret recorded it acoustically in the U.S.
Then they managed to get almost 400 miles up to Montreal by the next day to record it again electrically ? Hmmm. By train seems unlikely, and I think the kind of planes that could shuttle the band and their equipment there were in their nascency.
Although nowdays, the train journey is about 10 hours, so even if you consider the trains in 1925 were probably a little slower, I guess it's still possible they could have made the trip overnight between Jan. 22 and 23.
Re: Victor's switch from batwing to scroll: at what number?
I know, this isn't much to do with the original topic.
Re: Victor's switch from batwing to scroll: at what number?
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:17 am
by Inigo
It's not an easy matter. By these times, some recordings were made by both systems, as they were trying the new system. It's not rare that one take was acoustically recorded and the next one electrically. They put maybe both for sale under the same numbers and labels, if they were found right. Besides this, the re-recordings were done electrically or acoustically or both, using same matrix numbers at higher take numbers.
Maybe there's a mistake, and both recordings were made at the same studios. I've found DAHR having some mistakes here and there, and I've reported to them. And that only when looking for info on my records... So there must be many more! The info there has been taken from several sources, including Rust's discographies and others', the Ringler-Deutsch index, and sometimes the Victor ledgers.... One cannot take the DAHR info as absolutely true, nor any of the others...
Re: Victor's switch from batwing to scroll: at what number?
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:54 pm
by Wolfe
Yeah, well, I will go with the DAHR info for now.
The other thing is there is some Compo Co. (Montreal) recording ledgers online that don't say anything about anything recorded on Jan. 23, 1925, only that an "equipment test" was performed.
