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Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:24 pm
by Steve
soundgen wrote:163 just sold on Ebay for £135 !

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quality-Vinta ... 800wt_1257
Yeah, but that one was badly refinished (or maybe JUST stripped back to bare wood and lightly waxed?) inside and out. It just proves the point that commonly found machines in less than first rate condition are usually highly undervalued. Collectors will all be waiting for the perfect one to appear.

Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:21 am
by CarlosV
bart1927 wrote:
CarlosV wrote:
bart1927 wrote: Perhaps I will try to tweak the 5B soundbox a little. Only problem is I can't loosen the lock nuts. Even the smallest wrench I have doesn't fit.
The way to do it is to unscrew the internal rod, it has two slots that fit a small screw driver. The nut will not move until the rod unscrews completely, then it will hang on the rod until you slide it completely out. To reinstall it, you don't need a wrench, just need to hold the nut in place with your finger and screw back the rod. It is not difficult.
I removed the end caps, but when I try to unscrew the rod, the nuts start turning also!
Use a flat end pair of pliers to hold the nut, that should work.

Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:16 am
by bart1927
CarlosV wrote: Use a flat end pair of pliers to hold the nut, that should work.
Is there just one rod, or are there two? (One on each side of the needle bar?) When holding the nut with a pair of pliers I was able to turn the rod while keeping the nut in place, but the rod didn't come out. When I tried to unscrew the rod from the other side, the other nut kept turning, and I couldn't keep it in place with the pliers.

Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:36 pm
by Phono48
The are two, one each side. When your are gripping the nut, turn the rod until the nut falls off the inner end. You can then push the nut and the rod will slide out. On the one that is stubborn, put some penetrating oil on the thread, leave it overnight, and try again.

Barry

Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:13 pm
by bart1927
Phono48 wrote:The are two, one each side. When your are gripping the nut, turn the rod until the nut falls off the inner end. You can then push the nut and the rod will slide out. On the one that is stubborn, put some penetrating oil on the thread, leave it overnight, and try again.

Barry
I've been turning that rod for minutes now, while holding the nut in place, but it doesn't fall off. Perhaps the screw thread (or how do you call it) is damaged?

Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:43 am
by bart1927
Gram1948 wrote:Hi Bart,

Just a note more on the refixing of the veneer. Unlike my cabinet which was in such a poor state I chose, dare I say it, to re-finish it. You will want to fix veneer without damaging the surface finish. That was not of particular concern to me as I was stripping it anyway. It's therefore more critical that you are careful with the heat from your iron. The aim is to get the glue to melt without damaging the polished surface. Also instead of a cloth use something thicker like a towel. Where the wood has blistered it should go back as long as the blistering has not distorted the wood too much. Where veneer has broken off near the edge dirt may have got in but I'd initially try the same approach in the first instance, low heat applied to a towel on the offending area. As you suggest, best to work on those back areas first. Ultimately you may have to resort to applying new glue but I'd try re-heating the animal glue in the first instance BUT only if your experience with the back proves successful.
Hi Graham,

I tried the iron method, but it didn't work. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? I started with the back panel. I put a towel on it, and I ironed the towel, with the iron in between the min. and max. setting. But nothing happened, the wood got a little warm, I could see some condensation underneath the towel, but that was it. I don't know exactly, how long I'm supposed to iron a spot where the veneer has come loose? Also, do I have to move the iron back and forth, or just keep it in place?

I even tried a few spots on the lid, because there the veneer lifting was really minimal. But even there I couldn't get it back down. At the end I even put the iron on max. (cotton), but even that didn't help.

Am I too impatient, perhaps? Do I have to keep ironing a little longer? On a furniture restoration site I read that when you're using hide (or bone) glue you have to heat it up till 60 degrees Celsius (= 140 degrees Fahrenheit).

Re: My HMV 163

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:18 pm
by Gram1948
Hi Bart,

Reworking the old glue isn't an exact science. I managed it on mine but I didn't have to be as sensitive with the heat as you do wanting to maintain the finish. As I was re-finishing I could go a bit higher in temperature, but even then too hot and the veneer would be permanently damaged. It does take a while for the area being worked to get up to temperature. If you have a copy of Eric Reiss's book The Compleat Talking Machine he deals with it on page 94/95 but not in any detail regarding times and temperatures.

If it isn't working and you are unsure it's best to revert to using wood glue as you probably did with your other machine. Just ensure the veneer is going to go flat before applying the glue.

Good luck
Graham