The Talking Machine Forum — For All Antique Phonographs & Recordings

Here's a picture of a genuine furniture label that I pulled off the web. Note the lighter wood where the label is now missing. And this label wasn't even glued down but still produced the effect that I refer to. With regards to this machine, the label may be genuinely old just not original to the machine.

The motor for this model is actually fixed with wood screws to the underside of the motorboard with no holes that go all the way through.

As for the top beading . could you please look at the inside of the cabinet and see of there are any holes that do not serve any purpose. Also could you please make a photo from the underside as the bottom beading has been well done but it would give us an idea if this is also an addition done later when the euphon label was added and the new screws on the horn support.

Here is the closest approximation I find for comparison:

I think the speed control hole gives away the fact that the motorboard was modified from the original... you can see small splinters and unfinished or newly drilled wood in the hole. I have had this happen when drilling new holes in old wood.

CurtA: Yes, I agree; I saw that too. The wood would darken over time. Fresh wood. Someone has done a sophisticated job.

kropton wrote:In my opinion turntable and brake is from 20's portable gramophone.
It was complete from original parts but its not original.
Motor probably was mounted on the bottom like Pathé.

original machine remotored as witness marks on inside label probably from the original speed control show , if it was a "bottom" mounted motor taking the turntable off will only show the new holes , but taking the turntable off is easy , just use a plumbers screwdriver Smack the spindle with a hammer !