Unusual "Temporary Victor 06 horn

[JohnM]

Wow. That's something new for me. I never knew, before this thread, that some horns were actually made of paper mache!

Funnels used on Kämmer & Co. gramophones of 1890-1895 were almost always painted paper mache horns, see the earliest version below.

Starkton,

Thanks for the image. Is there a difference between Kämmerer & Co. and Kämmerer & Reinhardt?

Also, I have seen spellings of 'Kämmer' and 'Kämmerer' . . . which is correct?

Sorry . . . don't know how to type an umlaut! MordEth, can you edit for me?

[Starkton]

Starkton,

Thanks for the image. Is there a difference between Kämmerer & Co. and Kämmerer & Reinhardt?

Also, I have seen spellings of 'Kämmer' and 'Kämmerer' . . . which is correct?

Sorry . . . don't know how to type an umlaut! MordEth, can you edit for me?

Only for some months the gramophone company was Kämmer, Reinhardt & Co. After the retirement of Reinhardt it was renamed Kämmer & Co.

By the way, the gramophone company is separate from the toy factory Kämmer & Reinhardt.

[JohnM]

Thanks!

[fonograph]

A guy here in NC has the same sticker, but the horn is one I've never seen either. It's a brass bell with a mahogany wood grained horn. But, that's not all.......the horn also has a victor logo stamped into the brass part of the horn at the bottom. It also came with a Vic 6 low serial number. The best we could determine was around 1906 the war stopped shipments of horns, (or finish) to this country. Tim's seen this horn and valued the machine around 10k.

BTW, this is one of the luckiest guys you'll ever meet. I think he paid like 3000 for the machine and horn at auction.

Bob

[Valecnik]

A guy here in NC has the same sticker, but the horn is one I've never seen either. It's a brass bell with a mahogany wood grained horn. But, that's not all.......the horn also has a victor logo stamped into the brass part of the horn at the bottom. It also came with a Vic 6 low serial number. The best we could determine was around 1906 the war stopped shipments of horns, (or finish) to this country. Tim's seen this horn and valued the machine around 10k.

BTW, this is one of the luckiest guys you'll ever meet. I think he paid like 3000 for the machine and horn at auction.

Bob

That's very interesting. I wonder if that's the horn pictured in one of Tim & George's books? It would be great to see some pictures if you are able to get them and also to know the SN of the machine.

[phonogfp]

The brass belled mahogany grained metal horn for we showed for a Victor VI belongs to a fellow in Virginia.

George P.

[Valecnik]

In light of the the additional discussion going on another thread re. horns for Vic 06, I bumped this thread and added an advert with a picture of the "temporary petaled horn" and also some pics of a differently painted Paper Mache horn.

[gramophoneshane]

That last horn in the advertisement appears to be a Zonophone horn. HMV were still using the same design on their budget Zonophone models like my Compton, which I believe dates from 1913.
It looks strange seeing Victors high end model sporting one, when you're used to seeing them on HMV's low end models 6 or 7 years later, but I guess they were a transition horn used by Victor just prior to their own morning glory design being manufactured.