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Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:38 am
by fran604g
What is this fascinating device? Some sort of Pantograph?
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Best,
Fran

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:11 pm
by cmshapiro
fran604g wrote:What is this fascinating device? Some sort of Pantograph?
IMG_0875.JPG
Best,
Fran
This is a machine that was built by Walter Welch. It is 2 Triumph top works and motors and they are geared to play together. Charley Hummel has this and Charley said that Welch used this to play 2 of the same cylinder at the same time, with the theory that no cylinder was perfect and that one would makeup for the deficiencies of other other. I am sure that there was some form of echo effect in stereo as I cant imagine getting the cylinders perfectly time aligned. Id imagine there could also be a negative phase cancelation as well due to slight delay of the same waveform.

I helped Charley load it into his van, it is very cool and quite heavy!

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:23 pm
by gemering
Dan,

Thank you for sharing such wonderful photos.

Gene

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:26 pm
by fran604g
cmshapiro wrote:
fran604g wrote:What is this fascinating device? Some sort of Pantograph?
IMG_0875.JPG
Best,
Fran
This is a machine that was built by Walter Welch. It is 2 Triumph top works and motors and they are geared to play together. Charley Hummer has this and Charley said that Welch used this to play 2 of the same cylinder at the same time, with the theory that no cylinder was perfect and that one would map for the defines of other other. I am sure that there was some form of echo effect in stereo as I cant imagine getting the cylinders perfectly time aligned. Id imagine there could also be a negative phase cancelation as well due to slight delay of the same waveform.

I helped Charley load it into his van, it is very cool and quite heavy!
Thank you!

It is indeed very cool, and unique!

Best,
Fran

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:49 pm
by Chuck
Such a contraption could also be used to make
tube dubs.

One cylinder plays, the other gets recorded.
The sound gets to the recorder via a rubber hose
coming from the reproducer on the other machine.

The machines run at exactly the same speed.

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:13 pm
by gramophone-georg
What's the scoop on the Electrola in the 4th pic, first post?

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:53 pm
by melvind
gramophone-georg wrote:What's the scoop on the Electrola in the 4th pic, first post?
It is an electric motor Credenza with a tooled leather front. It is very nice.

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:05 pm
by gramophone-georg
melvind wrote:
gramophone-georg wrote:What's the scoop on the Electrola in the 4th pic, first post?
It is an electric motor Credenza with a tooled leather front. It is very nice.
Any idea what they are asking?

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:46 pm
by downsouth
It was priced at $1750.

Wes

Re: Union 2017 pictures

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:07 pm
by gramophone-georg
downsouth wrote:It was priced at $1750.

Wes
Thanks, Wes. Out of this Plebeian's league at the moment. Sure is a nice and unusual one, though!