My Recent Find - Another Columbia B With Pizazz!

[ehs004]

To those beleaguered ,

Just some food for thought a true friend stands behind a friend wether he or she is right or wrong !Who cares ,Jerry owns the machine , to much filibuster stuff going on . If you have to think about everything that comes from your'e thought process what fun is sharing ? Were all suppose to be collectors of records or machines or anything else you fancy. leave Jerry alone he's a big part of this Forum IMO Let it be !!!
Eric

[Curt A]

If we now have to define “find” as something previously “unfound”, then nothing on here is a find, since none of it was lost... someone knew where it was. Or does it only count if someone first establishes themselves as a “collector” and specifically of phonographs, gramophones and other antique music related paraphernalia - and only after that, discovers a previously unknown, unfound piece of phonograph history in a previously undiscovered place in the world???

[jboger]

OK, need to respond. I never attacked Jerry. What I did was defend Mr. Hawes. Big difference. Every time someone deliberately posted a response with the word "find" in it, it was a rebuff to Mr. Hawes. That's where the first figurative punch was thrown. And because so many people did that, I defended his definition. Whether on the Forum or elsewhere, I think it's important to defend people, especially if they are right. Don't you?

Personally, I don't care what word Jerry used to describe the machine. It's hard to write in these little text boxes off the tops of our heads. But it was the broad response to Larry Hawes' post that elicited my response, not anything Jerry did. If it is hard for people to make that distinction, well, so be it. Apparently it is, hence why I wrote that I did not expect to win any popularity contest by my post.

Anyway, I have written all I wish to on this matter. I will read with interest what anyone posts.

[ehs004]

OK, need to respond. I never attacked Jerry. What I did was defend Mr. Hawes. Big difference. Every time someone deliberately posted a response with the word "find" in it, it was a rebuff to Mr. Hawes. That's where the first figurative punch was thrown. And because so many people did that, I defended his definition. Whether on the Forum or elsewhere, I think it's important to defend people, especially if they are right. Don't you?

Personally, I don't care what word Jerry used to describe the machine. It's hard to write in these little text boxes off the tops of our heads. But it was the broad response to Larry Hawes' post that elicited my response, not anything Jerry did. If it is hard for people to make that distinction, well, so be it. Apparently it is, hence why I wrote that I did not expect to win any popularity contest by my post.

Anyway, I have written all I wish to on this matter. I will read with interest what anyone posts.

jboger,
Your only doing what any good friend does defending your friend ! no hard feelings from me!!
Eric

[Jerry B.]

I'm sorry this thread has caused such a fuss. I used the word "find" simply because brianu used it in his thread title about his beautiful Columbia B(XP) and, if my memory is correct, there was also another XP example mentioned recently on our Forum. The plain and simple reason for using "find" was a continuation of a theme. It's nice to see terrific examples of a simple but historic machine. I have had nothing but good experiences with Larry Hawes and hope to have many more in the future.

Sincerely, Jerry Blais

[Phonofreak]

Two things I would like to add to this discussion. First, Jerry acquired, found, located this rare and unusual machine. Even though he bought it from a fellow collector, who really cares about the "correct word"??? Jerry was kind enough to share this machine with those of us on this Forum. That is a really outstanding find. Second, lets leave this kind of nitpicking and bilge out of these discussions. Lets leave the Forum to its original purpose. That's sharing information, buying, selling, etc. Lets keep it that way.
Harvey Kravitz

[gramophone-georg]

Yes, yes, nice machine. I never knew such things existed. Glad it was posted.

Now, I decided to wade into the troubled waters. About half the replies managed to insert the word "find" somewhere in the text, sometimes in capital letters, thus defending Jerry and Jerry's choice of words against Mr. Hawes's comment. And the other half of the replies are simply commenting on the machine and how nice it is (it is nice). Nonetheless poor Mr. Hawes is correct. I will defend the underdog because he hasn't responded. If an item is well understood and resides in someone's collection, it has already been found and its significance understood. This doesn't change when the item changes hands. A "find" is a new discovery, something that has been hidden away, say, in an attic or barn and the owner doesn't know its significance. It comes too light when a knowledgeable collector "finds" it.

OK, I get it. Jerry (no offense) "found" this beautiful machine in someone else's collection. I think I'll go off to the Louvre and "find" the Mona Lisa. Well, I guess I won't win any popularity contest here.

If you bring the Mona Lisa home with you (legally) that would indeed be a great find.

The "find" is obviously a new discovery for Jerry B. I've never heard of your definition of a "find".



Furthermore, I don't understand why Hawes needed to post his critique in the forum for all to see rather than grinding his personal axe via PM.

I also think the implication that Jerry is dishonest was about as gauche and uncalled for as you can get.

Just sayin'.

[Django]

Very nice machine Jerry. I’m glad you posted and own such a cool machine.

[phonogfp]

George ,
How early are you talking ? my 1898 Columbia BS coin-op has the same type of spring barrel and a mandrel tag ? I think the tag has different information than the later tag ? It probably doesn't have patent info on belt cover i'll bet!
Eric

Mandrel tags didn't appear on Eagles until about #145,000. Tabbed spring barrels appeared at the same time. If your BS is numbered over 145,000 and has metal plates holding the spring barrels together, it's highly probable that the barrels/springs were replaced.

You're correct that an Eagle numbered in the 80,000s should not have a belt cover with patent information stamped into it. Early cased Eagles had plain belt covers. Jerry's belt cover has a serial number stamped in it which confirms that his Eagle was manufactured as a $10 "caseless" model. The cool base and lid were supplied by the retailer.

All this and much more detail on Eagles (and BS coin-ops) has been written about in the Antique Phonograph Society journal. All APS members have online searchable access to all journals going back to March 2004. One of several very nice member benefits...

George P.

[ehs004]

George,
I had a Columbia Eagle serial # 103325 no patent information on belt cover no mandrel tag and it had tabbed spring barrels my friend might still have it i can ask him . It also had the early Lid handle with no metal caps . Maybe some of these oddities were done before it the left the dealers ? Nobody alive today can say for sure ? it was near mint and came out of a old timers collection i doubt it was switch out , the spring barrel i'm saying.????

Eric