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You're right. I'll never refer to a vertical disc recording as hill-and-dale ever again. All hill-and-dale is vertical and all vertical is hill-and-dale regardless of whether or not it is played with a conical diamond, a sapphire ball, or a steel needle, or whether the format is cylinder or disc.

Vertical or lateral. That's it. I feel much better now that I'm living in a simpler world.

I'm liking this so much already I may abandon the distinction between acoustical and electrical! Don't worry! Be happy!

Oh! I forgot to mention that I picked up great stack of 46 mostly Montgomery Ward 'circle' label, Conquerer, and buff Bluebird records of Carter Family, Monroe Brothers, Dixon Brothers, Delmore Brothers, Darby & Tarlton, and Pie Plant Pete --all good Vertical-billy stuff in nice condition, too!

The correct term is Coyote & cactus music John

gramophoneshane wrote:The correct term is Coyote & cactus music John

That's only if it's Western. Country and Vertical-billy are different!

Ole Canal Antiques wrote:Sorry for being such a newb in the world of phono's but i have a question. what's the deal with the really thick disks? Was they made for certain machines?

Yes indeed, as noted these are Edison Diamond Disc Records. Also, if you are interested in selling them, why not post them to the Yankee trader section of the Talking Machine forum, complete with titles, artists and prices. I am sure you will be able to market quite a few of them to fellow members here, and avoid the posting fees and final fees and other fees that ebay is charging now-a-days.

JohnM wrote:Oh! I forgot to mention that I picked up great stack of 46 mostly Montgomery Ward 'circle' label, Conquerer, and buff Bluebird records of Carter Family, Monroe Brothers, Dixon Brothers, Delmore Brothers, Darby & Tarlton, and Pie Plant Pete --all good Vertical-billy stuff in nice condition, too!

I'm looking for “Foggy, Foggy Dew” by Burr Ives

LOL! I get it!

I dont think he comes in walnut

gramophoneshane wrote: I also thought the groove/recording technic like that used on Par-o-ket were called a "universal" groove as they could be played using either the lateral or vertical system.

Rust's AMERICAN RECORD LABEL BOOK doesn't say anything beyond a passing reference to it being an 'Edison-type cut hill-and-dale' recording. I've never seen one, but the only way it could be compatible with a lateral and/or a vertical reproducer is to have resorted to a recording method like unto the very earliest Emerson discs. These had the modulation of the grooves at a 45 degree angle, resulting in a cut not unlike what would be realised with a modern stereo cutting head with signal fed to only one of its drive coils.