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Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:49 pm
by DanP58
Thank you Jerry Van
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:59 pm
by Roaring20s
KCW wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:17 pm
... I would LOVE to discover that there were African American artists recorded on early cylinder records. Do any such exist?
Can anyone out there expand on this? Thank you for any information you can provide.
Now for the second part of the question ...
https://www.loc.gov/item/ihas.200038862/
Just because ...
https://www.npr.org/2007/06/25/11366793 ... -at-a-time
https://www.archeophone.com/press-relea ... iscovered/
https://timbrooks.net/george-w-johnson- ... ding-star/
James.
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:06 pm
by Viva-voce
I am glad someone said it!
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So am I
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:09 pm
by Viva-voce
Ho_Hum wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:09 pm
I am glad someone said it!
So am I!
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:05 pm
by Ortho4-7
I think it’s perfectly healthy to have these discussions and critically examine every facet of the phonograph’s history, both good and bad. It is also valid to ask about the history of early black recording pioneers, many of whom have been forgotten or ignored. I’d certainly be fascinated to learn more about them. However, this thread should definitely be moved to the music forum, as this has little to do with machines.
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:25 am
by Viva-voce
Ortho4-7 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:05 pm
I think it’s perfectly healthy to have these discussions and critically examine every facet of the phonograph’s history, both good and bad. It is also valid to ask about the history of early black recording pioneers, many of whom have been forgotten or ignored. I’d certainly be fascinated to learn more about them. However, this thread should definitely be moved to the music forum, as this has little to do with machines.
You are correct. Thank you for pointing that out.
All best,
Steven
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:51 am
by Django
phonogal wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:43 pm
Erasing history doesn't change history. This has been discussed before with some collectors saying these cylinders/records should be destroyed. Destroying coon song cylinders and tearing down statues does not rewrite history. Acknowledging our history both good and bad is healthy and can change our future.
Preserving monuments that were erected as a tribute to the racist and immoral old South only distorts history. Claiming Southern pride and erecting statues to celebrate those that fought to defend slavery has nothing to do with preserving history and everything to do with glorifying white supremacy.
I do think that “coon songs” should be preserved as an historic record of poor taste, ignorance and proof that racism was (and is), embedded in the culture of this country. I oppose removing such strong evidence of widespread racism.
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:14 pm
by MisterGramophone
It is just a style of ragtime. Most of these songs from after 1910 are actually pretty innocent, you only have to worry about the ones recorded before 1910.
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:18 pm
by JerryVan
MisterGramophone wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:14 pm
... it is just a style of ragtime.
For the good of this forum and to prevent your own embarrassment, please delete your message.
Re: A serious question on a sensitive topic
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:32 pm
by phonogal
Django wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:51 am
phonogal wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:43 pm
Erasing history doesn't change history. This has been discussed before with some collectors saying these cylinders/records should be destroyed. Destroying coon song cylinders and tearing down statues does not rewrite history. Acknowledging our history both good and bad is healthy and can change our future.
Preserving monuments that were erected as a tribute to the racist and immoral old South only distorts history. Claiming Southern pride and erecting statues to celebrate those that fought to defend slavery has nothing to do with preserving history and everything to do with glorifying white supremacy.
I do think that “coon songs” should be preserved as an historic record of poor taste, ignorance and proof that racism was (and is), embedded in the culture of this country. I oppose removing such strong evidence of widespread racism.
"glorifying white supremacy" OMG! As I said previously, You are free to have your opinion and I am free to have mine. Have a great evening.