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Here is pictures of 14 inch Columbia and 16 inch Columbia.

Hello again,

I am struggling with adding pictures as requested by Dave, but my previous post shows both a Columbia 14 inch record, sent twice by mistake, and a 16 inch Columbia made around the late teens or early 20's by the label design. I hope my post is not to confusing.

I also noticed my 14 inch Columbia is the same title as George P.'s, except mine does not have the speed of 60RPM to use on bottom edge of the label.

The 16 inch Columbia is one that I have never seen other than mine.

Would appreciate all comments.
Regards,

Pete

Thanks for your help.

A 16 inch, inside start disc, with "Sound-on-Disc" logo: sounds like it might have something to do with early talking pictures: most likely Vitaphone?
The 'W' prefix in the record number would indicate Western Electric; the '3/26' marking might indicate March, 1926 - unless it's just March 26 of an unknown year - but definitely '20s.
https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaphone

- Bill

Bill,

I read the link about Vitaphone, and yes it sounds like it could be it. Maybe I can find out if Columbia was the company that did the discs. I will have to look further to see where Columbia did the pressing, as they state on the label, they were not involved in the recording. I haven't played the disc, so who knows. Thanks for your input, as I had no idea of this system. I guess I need to play the disc to find out if it will give any clues of what it was used for.

Thank You,

Pete

Hello,

One thing, I forgot to add was about what machine may have been designed to play the Columbia 14 inch record is the Columbia AR front mount disc machine that has a 12 inch turntable. This is the only front mount machine that had a 12 inch turntable and was released in 1904.

14" records would play fine on an archival-type turntable with a long tone arm designed to accommodate most known disk formats.

The Rek-O-Kut Trovatore comes to mind as being suitable at least if not personally affordable. It will accommodate broadcast disks of up to 20" in diameter.

https://www.esotericsound.com/turntableA.htm

I bought some tubes (for use in guitar amps), a Pickering cartridge, and various (modernish) phonograph paraphernalia from a guy who owned a Trovatore and professed to love it. I did not see it, however. I bought the stuff from him at a barn in which he had a storage locker/garage for his vintage cars. It was the only car workshop I have ever seen equipped with vintage HiFi tube gear and old AR bookshelf speakers, maybe 3As ... don't remember clearly. We got into a discussion because I had brought along a Rek-o-Kut pre-amp box to pack my purchases off in.

The Victor D had a speed control that allowed you to go from 76 rpm to 60 rpm by simply moving a lever.

Someone commented on the motor noise of the early D. My early D and Pooley VTLA are fairly quiet.

The Deluxe speed control is shown below.

Yes, the Victor D could have been the Victor machine for the Victor Deluxe 14 inch record. I was referring to the Columbia 14 inch record and the Columbia AR front mount machine, however, the Columbia BD Majestic I believe came out in 1905 as a rear mount machine, but used the same case and motor as the Columbia AR, so it would also accommodate a 14 inch record. The Columbia AR/BD have a case that is 15 ½ inches wide after measuring my AR machine. This is just my opinion, but I am sure others may have a different opinion.