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Photos of the cleaned donut shaped connector of the Monarch Exhibition uploaded to my last post. It does not flex at all, and is hard and rather heavy.
Somehow it reminds me of ebonite...remembering this material from physics classes in elementary school. I googled ebonite now, and it is in fact a kind of rubber...if it is ebonite at all.

It should be rubber but may have solidified and hardened like ebonite.

You say you have a G&T Exhibition coming for your Intermediate Monarch. Actually the G&T version is a bit early for that machine and the HMV Exhibition would be too late. Ideally you should look for an Exhibition marked 'EXHIBITION THE GRAMOPHONE CO. LIMITED' (as picture). This version runs from around 1908-18. If your Intermediate Monarch has the gold transfer with that name on it this machine will be 1910-13. It's an option which would give you a spare G&T Exhibition soundbox although you should still rebuild the damaged one.

Thank you for showing us the motor on your nice DG Monarch.

Jamiegramo: Thank you for telling what version of the Exhibition that belongs to my Intermediate Monarch. I will save this photo, thanks a lot. A spare G& T Exhibition soundbox is anyway handy to have;)... but I will keep looking in the future for the correct Exhibition version.
I attach a photo of a gold logo on my Intermediate Monarch, is this the gold transfer you refer to?
Thanks also for the explanation of the rubber, it makes sense.

Yes that's exactly the transfer, and a nice clear example. The Exhibition soundbox you need, in common with the HMV version, is easier to find than the earlier G&T version.

Congrats for buying this great machine! The brake assembly is 100% original. No parts missing from it. Only needs a new leather.

This machine looks completely legit to me. It is a G&T-style Monarch, possibly a Style No. 13 Triple Spring Monarch of the 1902-05 period. Without seeing the motor, it's a little difficult to make a more informed decision or to date it more precisely.

These cases tend to be quite light in colour as opposed to the U.S.-made MS from Victor which is a darker oak. I do not believe that this case has been stripped or sanded. I think, though, that one side has faded from the sun.

The celluloid "Angel" inset is easy to replace. The large horn was an option for all Monarchs from this period and usually have the inside of the horn painted red. As to the brake, it looks like it needs some new leather. As to the crank, this looks correct although I can't see if it is a reproduction or not.

In short, if I didn't already have a very similar machine in my own collection, I would seriously consider this at EUR 1000, which is a very fair market value in this condition; perhaps even on the low side.

ericreiss; If you go to the previous page of this thread, you will be able to see uploaded photos of the motor.
I did buy this gramophone, it was impossible to let it go, after very valuable information shared from different forum members.
I am grateful for everyone who took part in this thread, and also feel it was lots of good information shared between forum members during the purchase process, and hopefully also something to learn for everyone regarding these stunning gramophones....
-Nostalgia-

ericreiss wrote:This machine looks completely legit to me. It is a G&T-style Monarch, possibly a Style No. 13 Triple Spring Monarch of the 1902-05 period. Without seeing the motor, it's a little difficult to make a more informed decision or to date it more precisely.

These cases tend to be quite light in colour as opposed to the U.S.-made MS from Victor which is a darker oak. I do not believe that this case has been stripped or sanded. I think, though, that one side has faded from the sun.

The celluloid "Angel" inset is easy to replace. The large horn was an option for all Monarchs from this period and usually have the inside of the horn painted red. As to the brake, it looks like it needs some new leather. As to the crank, this looks correct although I can't see if it is a reproduction or not.

In short, if I didn't already have a very similar machine in my own collection, I would seriously consider this at EUR 1000, which is a very fair market value in this condition; perhaps even on the low side.

Eric Reiss, an honor to have you on the forum! Welcome!

JerryVan wrote:

ericreiss wrote:This machine looks completely legit to me. It is a G&T-style Monarch, possibly a Style No. 13 Triple Spring Monarch of the 1902-05 period. Without seeing the motor, it's a little difficult to make a more informed decision or to date it more precisely.

These cases tend to be quite light in colour as opposed to the U.S.-made MS from Victor which is a darker oak. I do not believe that this case has been stripped or sanded. I think, though, that one side has faded from the sun.

The celluloid "Angel" inset is easy to replace. The large horn was an option for all Monarchs from this period and usually have the inside of the horn painted red. As to the brake, it looks like it needs some new leather. As to the crank, this looks correct although I can't see if it is a reproduction or not.

In short, if I didn't already have a very similar machine in my own collection, I would seriously consider this at EUR 1000, which is a very fair market value in this condition; perhaps even on the low side.

Eric Reiss, an honor to have you on the forum! Welcome!

I agree! Welcome, Eric.

Best,
Fran

Thanks for the warm welcome

And I did find the photos of the motor. It looks like a variant of the 1904 motor with the first worm-gear governor. And two springs - this was popular in Germany even though the English machines often had three springs according to Oakley and Proudfoot (and my own observations).

Anyway, congratulations. You have a really fine machine!