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Raphael wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:12 am As I said, this is not the time or place.
Please don’t try to throw cold water on my fund raising efforts.
Raphael
Django wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:03 am I really didn’t want to weigh in because this seems to be a real Pandora’s box, but a few comments have nagged at me and I wanted to express my opinion rather than suppress it.
I feel that this is more than just a forum. It often seems to be more of a community. We often help each other out. We cheer each other on. We share our love of these wonderful machines. We meet up at events and build relationships, (some positive and some not so good).
I have never dealt with Paul, and I do not know him, but I made a modest contribution and wish him a full recovery. Some members have been more generous and very vocal in their support. I think that is great and I applaud their caring and generosity.
If someone doesn’t want to feel obligated to contribute, or contribute more, they shouldn’t. They can also simply avoid the topic, but as far as I can see, there is no harm in trying to rally support. To be clear, I am happy to see the support and caring for one of our group, and I think that we should keep this effort going.
If someone has a axe to grind, they would probably be better served by taking care of it face to face and not in public. Any attempt to use this space to attack a man that has been fighting for his life and health, not to mention the financial and emotional hardships that he and his wife are having to endure, only make themselves look small and petty.
I hope that we as a community can be kinder in the future. Peace and good health to all.
Yeah. I’m the bad guy.Django wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:03 am I really didn’t want to weigh in because this seems to be a real Pandora’s box, but a few comments have nagged at me and I wanted to express my opinion rather than suppress it.
I feel that this is more than just a forum. It often seems to be more of a community. We often help each other out. We cheer each other on. We share our love of these wonderful machines. We meet up at events and build relationships, (some positive and some not so good).
I have never dealt with Paul, and I do not know him, but I made a modest contribution and wish him a full recovery. Some members have been more generous and very vocal in their support. I think that is great and I applaud their caring and generosity.
If someone doesn’t want to feel obligated to contribute, or contribute more, they shouldn’t. They can also simply avoid the topic, but as far as I can see, there is no harm in trying to rally support. To be clear, I am happy to see the support and caring for one of our group, and I think that we should keep this effort going.
If someone has a axe to grind, they would probably be better served by taking care of it face to face and not in public. Any attempt to use this space to attack a man that has been fighting for his life and health, not to mention the financial and emotional hardships that he and his wife are having to endure, only make themselves look small and petty.
I hope that we as a community can be kinder in the future. Peace and good health to all.
I’m not saying that anyone is a bad guy. I’m saying that the optics are bad and whether Paul is a decent person or not, this awful disease is not one that I would wish on anyone.JohnM wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:43 amYeah. I’m the bad guy.Django wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:03 am I really didn’t want to weigh in because this seems to be a real Pandora’s box, but a few comments have nagged at me and I wanted to express my opinion rather than suppress it.
I feel that this is more than just a forum. It often seems to be more of a community. We often help each other out. We cheer each other on. We share our love of these wonderful machines. We meet up at events and build relationships, (some positive and some not so good).
I have never dealt with Paul, and I do not know him, but I made a modest contribution and wish him a full recovery. Some members have been more generous and very vocal in their support. I think that is great and I applaud their caring and generosity.
If someone doesn’t want to feel obligated to contribute, or contribute more, they shouldn’t. They can also simply avoid the topic, but as far as I can see, there is no harm in trying to rally support. To be clear, I am happy to see the support and caring for one of our group, and I think that we should keep this effort going.
If someone has a axe to grind, they would probably be better served by taking care of it face to face and not in public. Any attempt to use this space to attack a man that has been fighting for his life and health, not to mention the financial and emotional hardships that he and his wife are having to endure, only make themselves look small and petty.
I hope that we as a community can be kinder in the future. Peace and good health to all.
The problem with this sort of thing, is that nobody knows what the he!! you're talking about. So, yes, the outward appearance that you present is not a good one. Please, I do not want to know what your grievance is. It's none of my/our business. This isn't the time or place for it. Take it up with personally with Paul, if it needs discussion at all. It appears to be a personal matter and should be handled as such.JohnM wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:43 amYeah. I’m the bad guy.Django wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:03 am I really didn’t want to weigh in because this seems to be a real Pandora’s box, but a few comments have nagged at me and I wanted to express my opinion rather than suppress it.
I feel that this is more than just a forum. It often seems to be more of a community. We often help each other out. We cheer each other on. We share our love of these wonderful machines. We meet up at events and build relationships, (some positive and some not so good).
I have never dealt with Paul, and I do not know him, but I made a modest contribution and wish him a full recovery. Some members have been more generous and very vocal in their support. I think that is great and I applaud their caring and generosity.
If someone doesn’t want to feel obligated to contribute, or contribute more, they shouldn’t. They can also simply avoid the topic, but as far as I can see, there is no harm in trying to rally support. To be clear, I am happy to see the support and caring for one of our group, and I think that we should keep this effort going.
If someone has a axe to grind, they would probably be better served by taking care of it face to face and not in public. Any attempt to use this space to attack a man that has been fighting for his life and health, not to mention the financial and emotional hardships that he and his wife are having to endure, only make themselves look small and petty.
I hope that we as a community can be kinder in the future. Peace and good health to all.
But I'd like to understand the cause to which I am donating. Many probably did not.ChesterCheetah18 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:17 pm Whether to donate or not is everyone's personal choice, for any number of reasons.
Steve