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[phonogal]

Curt A not sure I understand your plan. Right now you can post all the pictures your stuff on the Yankee Trader with prices with no selling fees or admission fees. We can do everything on Yankee Trader that your talking about. What is the need for starting something new. Am I missing something????

Rich Gordon

Not all potential buyers/collectors are members of the Forum and are unaware of the Yankee Trader section. I have heard sellers at shows complain that there are not enough buyers from outside the hobby and that stuff is just shuffled from one collector to another. You are right about that issue of listing items here with no fees, so why worry about Union going away or other shows being cancelled? Honestly, no one needs to go to any event to collect stuff, there's Yankee Trader, eBay, Craigslist, Facebook Market, Stantons, etc. The only reason I mentioned this virtual show is for those people who like scheduled "events" and like to plan for them and also want to buy from specific sellers...

I read Raphael's description of south Florida shows and find those to be outrageously overpriced. At $15,000-$75,000, you need to "give away" a lot of high end stuff before you break even with the overhead, so I don't see how that ever adds up to making a profit unless the stuff was way overpriced to begin with. I personally think that the less overhead, the better... however, that doesn't account for snob appeal. If I attended those shows as a buyer, I would automatically assume that I was being ripped off by the prices necessary to support such an endeavor... However, if I had more money than I knew what to do with and liked to attend those types of snob events, I guess it wouldn't matter what I had to pay as a seller or buyer, because the "value" is just in attending along with bragging rights... Your mindset would have to be that it's more important "where I bought an item, than what I actually bought..."

With all due respect, I think you missed my point entirely. To begin with, I was in no way suggesting that these shows would be economically viable for phonograph people. But, there are plenty of deep-pocketed buyers out there who care more about obtaining a top-quality item then scouring the world for a bargain. I've seen these folks at auctions, buying what they want, regardless of the price. At the Milhous Auction in Boca Raton a few years back, I watched a bidder casually sipping a cocktail at the bar while chatting up a friend, and simultaneously holding his bidder card up. And when he won the piece (a $150,000 chandelier) somebody had to come over and interrupt his chit-chat to get his bidder #. He didn't even ask what the hammer price was.

Raphael

Yes, there are people that have more money then they have sense. For most of us though, the cost of attending a venue is something we have to consider.

[Raphael]

Maybe that guy in Boca had plenty of sense. He knew what he wanted, and wasn't going to spend the next year or two of his life looking for a comparable piece at a better price when he had better things to do (such as making more money).

My point is that there are multiple paths to doing business; shows, auctions, internet, retail shops and simple networking. I wasn't suggesting that anybody in the phonograph field exhibit at the high-end shows, just pointing out that the day of the show is not over yet, and may never be.

Raphael

[drh]

Maybe that guy in Boca had plenty of sense. He knew what he wanted, and wasn't going to spend the next year or two of his life looking for a comparable piece at a better price when he had better things to do (such as making more money).

My point is that there are multiple paths to doing business; shows, auctions, internet, retail shops and simple networking. I wasn't suggesting that anybody in the phonograph field exhibit at the high-end shows, just pointing out that the day of the show is not over yet, and may never be.

Raphael

In other words, you're saying some people are looking for "Uncle Josh in an Art Gallery," some are looking for shaded dogs of Fritz Reiner conducting "Pictures at an Exhibition," and some are looking for original Goyas, and each has a legitimate interest but they don't attend the same events. Makes sense.

Although what Aunt Nancy would have made of "La Maja desnuda" I don't like to think! :lol:haHAhahahahahaaaa.....

Coming back round more to the topic at hand, potential venues for shows, for a central-ish location, what about Kansas City? I've never been there, mind, and it's far enough I wouldn't likely attend personally, but it does have a strong musical tradition, and at least at one time UMKC was more open to 78s than most university music departments.

[EdiBrunsVic]

I also like the idea of considering Kansas City.

[JerryVan]

We're throwing around names of cities as if we have a choice in the matter. It's going to come down to who wants to sponsor a show, and where they want to do it. Then, we get to decide of we want to make trip.

[gramophone-georg]

We're throwing around names of cities as if we have a choice in the matter. It's going to come down to who wants to sponsor a show, and where they want to do it. Then, we get to decide of we want to make trip.

Exactly. While the Cleveland area may not be exactly ideal, it's better than no show, I think.

[AZ*]

We're throwing around names of cities as if we have a choice in the matter. It's going to come down to who wants to sponsor a show, and where they want to do it. Then, we get to decide of we want to make trip.

Exactly!

[marcapra]

We've already got a show. It's on the second weekend in August at Buena Park, near Knott's Berry Farm and Disneyland. It's called the APS phonograph show. Be there!

[Valecnik]

We're throwing around names of cities as if we have a choice in the matter. It's going to come down to who wants to sponsor a show, and where they want to do it. Then, we get to decide of we want to make trip.

You are right that we do have a choice in the matter, the choice not to go. ~7 hours from the east coast and ~35 hours from west coast is not exactly center of the country.

I've been a regular at Union but very unlikely I would attend a show as far east as Cleveland.

[Garret]

We're throwing around names of cities as if we have a choice in the matter. It's going to come down to who wants to sponsor a show, and where they want to do it. Then, we get to decide of we want to make trip.

You are right that we do have a choice in the matter, the choice not to go. ~7 hours from the east coast and ~35 hours from west coast is not exactly center of the country.

I've been a regular at Union but very unlikely I would attend a show as far east as Cleveland.

...but you are already hopping across an ocean to go?