C250/C19 Database project

[fran604g]

Fran,
Here is an interesting piece of ephemera with the serial number and date for a C19 that was sold on May 1, 1920 in Montevideo, MN. These certificates were issued to buyers who attended a Tone Test demonstration and then bought a machine. It will be interesting to see if the machine matching this serial number turns up. I have another one of these for machine 134638 that was signed by Helen Clark and Joseph Phillips but never completed. I think the dealer must have gotten over zealous and had some extra certificates signed at a demonstration but then didn't sell the machine.
Dave Jolley

Thank you, Dave! I've never seen one of these before, how cool! I imagine it must have been a big deal to do the "Tone Test", and to then purchase your beautiful "New Edison" afterwards must have been particularly exciting! "BE THE FIRST ON YOUR STREET!"

I've noted your contribution in my database.

The thing I find most fascinating about this project is how fast and how much I've learned in just a few short days! There is so much more...

Best,
Fran

[Groundhog74]

Model: C-250
Serial #: SM46918
Bed plate pinstripe? No
Laboratory Medallion: Round "The model 250 diamond disc is the official laboratory model. Thos A Edison"
Record storage: drawers
Wood type: Mahogany
Duncan stop? Yes with battery labeled " US Ignitor patented September 6 in 1910"
Dealer tag? No
Original sales receipts or documents: Edison Diamond Disc Re-Creations catalog dated April 1916.

Instructions for setting up and operating Edison Diamond Disc Phonographs Types A100 -
C150 and C200

Manufacturers label inside cabinet. Form number 1112

Label inside cabinet : Edison No. 19 cabinet factory

Grill cloth: replaced with fabric

Also came with a small glass jar of grease label on top reads " Edison diamond grease. A. Edison, Inc. Orange NJ" and a record duster. Record drawers have original dividers and drawer inventory sheets for the records we got with the phonograph. Apparently filled out by the original owner.

[fran604g]

Thank you, Groundhog74, it sounds like you have a very nice Chippendale!

I've noted all your information,

Fran

[toysbyroy]

Model Designation: C-19

2. Serial Number: SM-119697

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: No

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Project

6. Record Storage: Shelves

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: N

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: Tag on inside of record storage "Edison No.33 Cabinet Factory"

11. Grille cloth? Color - Green

[fran604g]

Thank you, toysbyroy!

I appreciate your contribution,

Fran

[fran604g]

Hi folks,

I've observed over 60 Chippendales so far, your continued help is very much appreciated!

I'll continue to "bump" this thread from time to time, in the hopes of keeping it alive for the foreseeable future.

Thank you all for your help,
Fran

[Lucius1958]

Hi folks,

I've observed over 60 Chippendales so far, your continued help is very much appreciated!

I'll continue to "bump" this thread from time to time, in the hopes of keeping it alive for the foreseeable future.

Thank you all for your help,
Fran

Indeed! It would be interesting to see, for example, how early the "Laboratory Model" medallion was affixed, among other details…

Bill

[NEFaurora]

Fran, You are also forgetting three major things..

1. Diamond Disc Dataplates (as well as Amberola dataplates) went from Aluminum with Black painted background (1913-1917) to All Brass Dataplates with White paint then later Black paint (1918-1929).

2. 1926 thru 1927 C-19 machines also came with 10" and 12" buttons that were present but disconnected from the factory ( for Extra Long Play (ELP) feature when installed also with a special "Dance" reproducer for longer 12" records, and turntable felt cloth was also changed to Orange from the previous and former Green this year also.

3. 1927 C-19's (last year made) machines had NO Speed control in the upper left corner of the turntable. Remaining inventory of C-19's were sold until 1929 when Edison closed.

Do not forget to add these things into your data.

)

Tony K.

[fran604g]

Hi folks,

I've observed over 60 Chippendales so far, your continued help is very much appreciated!

I'll continue to "bump" this thread from time to time, in the hopes of keeping it alive for the foreseeable future.

Thank you all for your help,
Fran

Indeed! It would be interesting to see, for example, how early the "Laboratory Model" medallion was affixed, among other details…

Bill

Bill,

I couldn't agree more! Small trends have emerged, but with so few examples, it would be premature for me to make any assumptions. One would think that there should be many more C-19's to C-250's, but as of now, I have observed very nearly the same number of the two versions.

One definite trend has emerged, however; The establishment of actual dates associated with the manufacturing/shipping of specific serial numbers.

Best,
Fran

[fran604g]

Fran, You are also forgetting three major things..

1. Diamond Disc Dataplates (as well as Amberola dataplates) went from Aluminum with Black painted background (1913-1917) to All Brass Dataplates with White paint then later Black paint (1918-1929).

2. 1926 thru 1927 C-19 machines also came with 10" and 12" buttons that were present but disconnected from the factory ( for Extra Long Play (ELP) feature when installed also with a special "Dance" reproducer for longer 12" records, and turntable felt cloth was also changed to Orange from the previous and former Green this year also.

3. 1927 C-19's (last year made) machines had NO Speed control in the upper left corner of the turntable. Remaining inventory of C-19's were sold until 1929 when Edison closed.

Do not forget to add these things into your data.

)

Tony K.

Tony,

The dataset that I chose to conduct my research is specific, I am mainly interested in the period of production changes when the 250 became the 19, although I do note and record all Chippendales that I encounter, and some particular details that are non-specific to that end as well.

The White to Black ink change on the C-19 dataplates is something I will add to my personal observations, thank you for that.

I have observed one C-19 with the 10"-12" button control unit that you describe, and included it in my notes, as I have done with other "anomaly".

Presently, I have not observed any machines with the speed control omitted, I will note this difference as I detect it.

Do you have an accredited source for your observations that you would be willing to share with me?

Best regards,

Fran