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Thanks Bill - it definitely helps! Your D is the earliest I've yet documented - - that helps narrow gaps between models.

Please let me know your last name so I can credit you in acknowledgements. You can PM me if you'd like.

Thanks again,
George P.

George,
I have a couple to summit, but we are in the midst of a move across country.
we" ll get you that info in two weeks.

Best,
ColoradoPhonograf

Once again, I want to thank the members of this forum for all the help given me in studying Edison Spring-Motor and Triumph serial numbers and related data. The database I've developed now has just under 100 machines in it - - thank you!

For those who haven't yet submitted data, please don't feel as if it's too late - your participation is most welcome! I'm especially interested in learning more about these machines:

* Spring-Motors between #9859 and #19360.

* Spring-Motors or Triumphs between #28295 and #31653.

* Triumphs between #44551 and #45025.

* Triumphs between #49752 and #50636.

* Triumphs between #72775 and #75013.

* Triumphs between #88249 and 89446.

* Any Triumph over #91142.

If you can supply data (please see page 1 of this thread) for any machines within these serial ranges, I'd be most appreciative.

Thanks again for all the help I've received thus far.

Best to all,

George P.

George

Another Spring Motor for your database:

1. s/n 26584
2. On boss
3. N/A
4. No screws
5. No lugs
6. Ball type catch
7. 2 clips
8. 3204
9. Solid gears
10. EDISON SPRING MOTOR FOR PHONOGRAPH
11. Drawer
12. None

Chuck

Thanks Chuck! The database now contains 108 machines!

Your latest contribution is the earliest Spring Motor so far with the "new" upper casting lacking the Class M style lugs and straight edge. It's great to narrow down these changes. Thanks again - -

George P.

Model D2 Triumph

1. 81324
2. plate
3. May 22, 1906
4. no screws
5. no
6. no end gate
7. screw
8. believe it says 65474
9. ? gear at end of spring is spoked
10. no plate
11. "Edison"
12. none

I'm not late to respond. Just got it yesterday. Yeah!!! Jan

Thanks Jan! Your Triumph makes 110 in the database!

Would you PM me your last name so I can properly credit you in the research?

George P.

PM sent.

1) Serial number 32408
2) in top works Id tag
3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? May 31 1898
4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriage rides) have 2 screws? no
5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulley wheels? no
6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a locking lug? ball catch
7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, or a single screw at 2:00 position? single screw
8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame):19763
9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? solid
10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly does it say? no plate
11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal, or an “Edison” script decal? Banner Edison Triumph Phonograph
12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? no.

This machine spent most of its life in the country of Brazil, until 2000 and has spent many years as the recording phonograph for Borri Audio Laboratories. It has recorded all my live cylinders at concerts, and has been to Madison Square garden in New York,, Turn New York, (over 300 cylinders) ,Puerto Rico, Guggenheim Museum, Central Park, the home of Bix in Davenport IA, in the movie of the biography of Buddy Bolden, and an up coming movie Phonograph Conversations, and recorded the cylinder masters for+ Thomas Negovan by Popular Demand 45 EP. And most of the records in the Dead Languages Conservatory which the total number in this series is about 400 cylinders. alone.

Thank you, Shawn!

George P.