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epigramophone wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:19 am Now we have some "work in progress" pictures of the MP30.

An article describing the acquisition and restoration of this machine will appear in a forthcoming issue of the CLPGS magazine.

Can you please give me an approximate summary of what was "restored" to this machine as the listing on Ebay didn't mention any restoration whatsoever or the fact that it has been re-motored!

Steve wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:18 am

epigramophone wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:19 am Now we have some "work in progress" pictures of the MP30.

An article describing the acquisition and restoration of this machine will appear in a forthcoming issue of the CLPGS magazine.

Can you please give me an approximate summary of what was "restored" to this machine as the listing on Ebay didn't mention any restoration whatsoever or the fact that it has been re-motored!

To the best of my knowledge the machine has not been re-motored. If it had I am sure Alastair would have told me. The "restoration" mainly involved very thorough cleaning and polishing inside and out, including removing, repainting and carefully reinstalling the horn.

epigramophone wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:21 am

Steve wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:18 am

epigramophone wrote: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:19 am Now we have some "work in progress" pictures of the MP30.

An article describing the acquisition and restoration of this machine will appear in a forthcoming issue of the CLPGS magazine.

Can you please give me an approximate summary of what was "restored" to this machine as the listing on Ebay didn't mention any restoration whatsoever or the fact that it has been re-motored!

To the best of my knowledge the machine has not been re-motored. If it had I am sure Alastair would have told me. The "restoration" mainly involved very thorough cleaning and polishing inside and out, including removing, repainting and carefully reinstalling the horn.

Thank you for this. I spoke to Alastair briefly yesterday and he confirmed it has been re-motored. There is a shadowy mark next to the winding hole, just about visible in the photo. According to Alastair there was a redundant hole there when he first got it. Presumably there are other redundant holes under the turntable too?

It's interesting that the horn was repainted. Given that you cannot see it normally, why was it felt necessary to do that? Presumably taking the horn out and re-fitting it carefully must have been an awkward job?

With a rubbish non-related cabinet gramophone on Ebay currently, poorly using a Chromogram tonearm and at least two other genuine machines for sale, I think it might be time to reboot this thread? All this talk elsewhere now and I'm tempted with Alastair's 22a. Please help me!

Steve wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2026 6:34 am With a rubbish non-related cabinet gramophone on Ebay currently, poorly using a Chromogram tonearm and at least two other genuine machines for sale, I think it might be time to reboot this thread? All this talk elsewhere now and I'm tempted with Alastair's 22a. Please help me!

I think you should concentrate on the other thread concerning the possible early perophone first and fore-most

poodling around wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2026 1:45 pm

Steve wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2026 6:34 am With a rubbish non-related cabinet gramophone on Ebay currently, poorly using a Chromogram tonearm and at least two other genuine machines for sale, I think it might be time to reboot this thread? All this talk elsewhere now and I'm tempted with Alastair's 22a. Please help me!

I think you should concentrate on the other thread concerning the possible early perophone first and fore-most

This is beginning to remind me a little of the thread started about the Wisconsin Chair Company's "Paramount cabinet phonograph" on the Old Time Victrola Music Message Board, back in 2007. I appreciate you were not a part of it or possibly even aware of its existence back then? I wish it still existed so I could link to it. Was it an example of the first ever floor-standing cabinet disc phonograph? No, the Pooley Victrola almost certainly came before it in 1906 but the thread rattled on for weeks anyway!

What model is this? If the horn aperture alone is 52 x 101 cm, that is quite large - it certainly appears to be a large model - is this a 27 / 28?

https://www.ryedaleauctioneers.com/cata ... s-lot-681/

Steve wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 8:56 am What model is this? If the horn aperture alone is 52 x 101 cm, that is quite large - it certainly appears to be a large model - is this a 27 / 28?

https://www.ryedaleauctioneers.com/cata ... s-lot-681/

Chromogram model x.jpg

It is an MP20. The 27 and 28, which I have only seen in catalogue images, are larger with more elaborate cabinets.

epigramophone wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 2:29 pm

Steve wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2026 8:56 am What model is this? If the horn aperture alone is 52 x 101 cm, that is quite large - it certainly appears to be a large model - is this a 27 / 28?

https://www.ryedaleauctioneers.com/cata ... s-lot-681/

Chromogram model x.jpg

It is an MP20. The 27 and 28, which I have only seen in catalogue images, are larger with more elaborate cabinets.

Thanks Roger. Alastair tells me that I "won't ever see an MP20a". I'm curious about his comment given that a 20 sold just over 2 years ago. What is the difference between a 20 and a 20a? Is the latter a particularly rare derivative of the former or was Alastair unaware of the existence of a 20 at auction? I know both of you are the "Chromogram Hunters"!

The "a" suffix denotes the de luxe version with the weight adjuster, not present on the example pictured, and autobrake.