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gramophoneshane wrote: Hi Fran,

I'd just like to thank you for setting up this data base project. I'm sure it will prove to be an extremely valuable resource for present & future collectors.

Another variation you may find on late C-19's is the governor was changed from having 2 weights to having 3 weights. From my personal (but limited) observations, those with 3 weights will also have mustard turntable felt instead of green.
It's also my belief that C-19's which have no speed control on the top side of the bedplate will begin to appear around the same time as the Edisonic models were introduced. These C-19's should also have a patterned grille cloth (as used on Edisonics) instead of a plain cloth.

Best of luck with the project, and thanks again.
Regards,
Shane

Thank you, Shane, for your kind words. I've noted your comments. I do think, in the end, this project will provide people with an historical account to accurately assess and restore these beautiful instruments! Long live the Chippendales!

Thank you for your contribution,

Fran

Finally getting around to adding my two:

1. Model Designation: C 19
2. Serial Number: SM168027
3. Bedplate Pinstriping: No
4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round
5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison
6. Record Storage: Shelves/slats numbered 1-36 and 37-72
7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany
8. Duncan Stop?: No
9. Dealer Tag: None
10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: None
11. Grille cloth? Color? Torn original mustard yellow/brown, replaced by me with same.


1. Model Designation: C250
2. Serial Number: SM 9574
3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Yes
4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Pentagonal
5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: The $ 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison
6. Record Storage: Drawers
7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany
8. Duncan Stop?: No
9. Dealer Tag: None
10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: None
11. Grille cloth? Color? Non-original gold with diamond pattern (radio grille cloth). Green staining in the glue on the back of the grille.
Please provide us with your findings when you have collected enough data. The medallions are interesting; what is the progression in shape and wording, from $ 250 to C 250/Model 250 to no specific model designation?

coyote wrote:Finally getting around to adding my two:

Please provide us with your findings when you have collected enough data. The medallions are interesting; what is the progression in shape and wording, from $ 250 to C 250/Model 250 to no specific model designation?

Thank you, coyote!

I will be sharing the results of my study at some point in the future, for sure. I hope to gather enough information to be able to write an article or series of articles. When I do that, I will make the spreadsheet available to everyone, as Martin Kauper did with his vast work on the Edison Standards. Also, as others have done with their work, I will continue to gather data for as long as I can, to make this work the reference for Chippendales.

As for the medallions; Yes, you have it right. The $250 Diamond Disc is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A. Edison may have been a carry-over from the Model B "Modern Renaissance" as that was the price that both the Model A and B were to be sold at and I have observed model B's with this medallion. The B was a fairly successful seller, with sales from June through December 1915 exceeding 2,650 and an additional 12,549 had been sold before March 1, 1915 (Frow), so it wouldn't be unreasonable to speculate that a great many "extra" parts were inventoried and needed to be used up. Frow states that there was an "advance" of C-250's in November 1915, and that the C-250 and the model B where being sold simultaneously after December 1, 1915. He also states that the model B's, "...seem to have been cleared away in 1916". This overlap supports my assumption.

The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison medallion appears at some point after #12011, perhaps this suggests that a future price increase for the C-250 over the model B wouldn't have been reflected in the "badge". The Model 250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison was next, followed by Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison which appears to have been used only on C-19's.

Best,
Fran

And, with coyote's two Chippendales, I've made it to 100!

Not bad for only 30 days! I look forward to one, two or three years from now...I think I've fallen in love with the Chippendales.

All my thanks to everyone here at TMF! Keep 'em coming!

Happily,
Fran

Many thanks and much appreciation to you, Fran for taking on this mighty task...

Scott

Scott wrote:Many thanks and much appreciation to you, Fran for taking on this mighty task...

Scott

My pleasure, Scott.

1. Model Designation: C250

2. Serial Number: 12925

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Yes

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Pentagon

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: The C250 Diamond Disc Phonograph is the Official Laboratory Model

6. Record Storage: Drawers

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Mahogany

8. Duncan Stop?: No

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: None

11. Grille cloth? Color? Replacement cloth only

Jeff

Operafan wrote:Jeff

Thank you Jeff, I've entered your data.

Best,
Fran

Model Designation...C19
Serial Number .....130871
Bedplate Striping?...No
Medallion .........Circle
Wording? .........Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model
Record Storage ..... Shelves with dividers numbered
Cabinet Wood ....... Mahogany
Duncan Stop .........No.
Dealer Tag ..........None
Sales receipt/Shipping docs.....None
Grille Cloth .......Mustard brown

good luck in your search

1. Model Designation: C19

2. Serial Number: SM-83461

3. Bedplate Pinstriping: Yes

4. "Official Laboratory" Medallion: Round

5. Exact Wording of the Medallion: Diamond Disc Official Laboratory Model Thos A Edison

6. Record Storage: Shelves

7. Cabinet Wood Type: Oak

8. Duncan Stop?: No

9. Dealer Tag: None

10. Original Dated Sales Receipt/Shipping Documentation, etc.: None

11. Grille cloth? Color? Replacement cloth