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Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:34 pm
by VintageTechnologies
I need to completely disassemble an eratic Edison Opera governor to polish the flange and balance the springs, but I am stymied by all of the tiny screws that are frozen - every last one of them. I have precision screwdrivers with large handles, but I am afraid of snapping off the screw heads if I get too aggressive. There is no rust or corrosion, so I wonder if the brass has shrunk? I soaked the governor for a week in a bottle of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. No help. After degreasing it in a solvent, I baked the governor at 500 degrees in the oven. No help. I am afraid of applying a torch for fear of de-tempering the steel springs. The only thing I haven't tried yet is freezing the thing. Which expands or contracts more, brass or steel?
Does anyone have additional ideas to try?
Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:08 am
by De Soto Frank
Generally speaking, brass moves more with temperature than steel.
Have you tried gently tightening the screws ?
If a fastener won't loosen, sometimes a slight "tighten" will break them loose.
You are quite right not wanting to twist anything off...
I would try giving it a night in the deep-freeze...
Good luck...

Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:40 am
by Chuck
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Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:23 pm
by Curt A
PB Blaster does work very well, along with soaking parts in kerosene. Another thing to try is to clamp vise grips to the blade or your screwdriver - then exert pressure down on the handle while gently applying force with the vise grips... the lateral force sometimes is enough to break things loose.
Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:06 am
by Amberola 1-A
Another good product is Kroil. I use it w/o fail on frozen/rusted gun screws as well as machines. A little bit goes a long way.
Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:16 pm
by Orthophonic
According to some studies that I read about what works best as a penetrating solution turned out to be home made. It scored better that nay commercially available penetrant and is simply a half and half mixture of automatic transmission fluid and acetone. It was pretty interesting to say the least!
Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:01 pm
by VintageTechnologies
I want to bring closure to this thread by reporting that I finally was able to loosen the screws on the Edison Opera governor. I bought a spray can of PB Blaster and squirted some into a narrow jar until I had enough to immerse the governor for an extended soak -- for a month. I had gingerly tried to budge the screws every now and then with no success. After a month, the brass and the PB Blaster had begun to turn a slight green in color. It was time to do something. I gritted my teeth and gave a screw a harder twist than before. Snap! After a brief panic, I realized the screw had broke free as intended, rather than the head breaking off. There were no signs of rust or corrosion on the screw or brass parts. Encouraged, I attacked the other screws. Every one of them released with the same unnerving snap. I have disassembled a lot governors, but none were ever so stubborn as this.
Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:59 am
by Jerry B.
Wow, you soaked them for a month? That's a true act of patience. DeeDee said I had a little patience at forty but nearly none at sixty. Jerry
Re: Need help removing frozen governor screws
Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 1:51 am
by VintageTechnologies
Jerry, it was nothing really. It was the poor customer that had to be patient!

I sure didn't want to bust any screws on his machine.