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Hi everybody,

I just got a Victor Type D for a great deal that I have a question about. The Metal ID tag was placed at the bottom of the case (on the inside) while a celluloid tag was affixed to the front the has "Lyon and Healy" (or somesuch)on it. Is this a dealers tag? Do any of you know why this tag took the place of the ID tag?

Thanks,
Nicholas

Lyon and Healy was a dealer in Chicago. They also manufactured pianos and harps and are still in business today. Website:

http://www.lyonhealy.com/index.htm

Andersun wrote:Lyon and Healy was a dealer in Chicago. They also manufactured pianos and harps and are still in business today. Website:

http://www.lyonhealy.com/index.htm

Thanks for the information! Was it a common practice to replace the ID tag?

I've seen a number of Victors with the celluloid Lyon & Healy tag substituted for the metal Victor tag.

George P.

Is it possible that Victors with the Lyon and Healy tag were traded in on a more current machine and the ID tag was replaced and relocated inside? Jerry

phonogfp wrote:I've seen a number of Victors with the celluloid Lyon & Healy tag substituted for the metal Victor tag.

George P.

Oh hell, I passed on an outside horn Victor in Florida last winter, partially because it had a plate like that on the outside and I though it might be a put-together crapophone. It was probably a completely legit III, though I didn't notice an ID plate on the inside.

Live and learn...

phonogfp wrote:I've seen a number of Victors with the celluloid Lyon & Healy tag substituted for the metal Victor tag.

George P.

I wonder if VTM Co approved of the substitution (or ignored it)? I would think that anything not "factory" would give them serious heartburn.

Retrograde wrote:

phonogfp wrote:I've seen a number of Victors with the celluloid Lyon & Healy tag substituted for the metal Victor tag.

George P.

I wonder if VTM Co approved of the substitution (or ignored it)? I would think that anything not "factory" would give them serious heartburn.

What really set VTM off was dealers cutting the prices. As long as Lyon & Healy sold machines & Victor got their money I doubt they were troubled much.

estott wrote:

Retrograde wrote:

phonogfp wrote:I've seen a number of Victors with the celluloid Lyon & Healy tag substituted for the metal Victor tag.

George P.

I wonder if VTM Co approved of the substitution (or ignored it)? I would think that anything not "factory" would give them serious heartburn.

What really set VTM off was dealers cutting the prices. As long as Lyon & Healy sold machines & Victor got their money I doubt they were troubled much.

Agreed. And of course the serial number wasn't being removed - just put out of sight.

George P.

If I remember correctly, Lyon & Healey sold huge numbers of machines, so I suspect Victor just smiled on the way to the bank and would have been thrilled to have lots of those kinds of "problems."

Good to know when prowling for buys that the practice was common, though.

Clay