Victor Horn Decals

[Phonofreak]

I have a question on Victor horn decals. I have seen the circular Victor horn decals on front mount horns, and the larger B & B rear mount horns. I never see decals on the small rear mount ones used on the Victor I or E. Is there a reason why these decals were omitted? I'm restoring a small Victor rear mount horn that needs to be repainted. I see no evidence of a decal. I want to make sure this horn restoration is correct.
Harvey Kravitz

[gramophone78]

Harvey, if this helps...I have a very small black flower horn on a early Vic.1 and it has a typical red/black VTM round decal. Just as you would see on B&B horns.

[perrywash]

I am FAR from one of the real experts on here. But I have been lurking for a couple of years, preparing to sell my Dad's rigid arm E (coming soon). I have looked high and low for every photo I could find. And in the couple of years I've been looking, given a small sample size (perhaps photos of 15-20 machines?): I've not found one with a horn decal or stenciling on the mount. My horn may have been painted...but I also see no sign of a decal. For what that's worth.

[Phonofreak]

I have the small Victor flower horns, also. They have the Victor decal. I have an early small case Victor I and rear mount Victor E that have the small B & B horn. They have no decals. The one that I am restoring has no evidence of a decal. I have seen the larger B & B horns with a decal. This is a mystery to me. When I complete the small B & B horn, I don't want to put on a decal and make it wrong.
Harvey Kravitz

Harvey, if this helps...I have a very small black flower horn on a early Vic.1 and it has a typical red/black VTM round decal. Just as you would see on B&B horns.

[alang]

For what it's worth, I have a front mount Victor R with the black tin bell horn and it only has a pin stripe, no decal.

Andreas

[outune]

Hi Harvey-- I have one small rear-mount horn with a decal and one without. My Victor I has the small B/B with the trademark decal. I have another identical horn on my shelves without a decal. I formerly owned a nice rear-mount E-- no decal on that horn. Also- I have two small front-mount horns--one with, one without. So.. They came both ways. Pure guess-- Earlier horns without a decal--later ones with decal ??? Just a guess.

Brad Abell

[outune]

Hi Harvey-- Attached are pics of two rear-mount 15" Victor horns-- The horn on my Victor I has a decal-- The other horn (an "extra") does NOT have a decal. I suspect that the earlier horns (Vic E) did not have decals and that the later horns (Vic I) did, but that's just a semi-educated guess.
Thanks for your help on my Columbia motor!

Brad Abell

[perrywash]

I have read that the dog/his master's voice logo first appeared on records in July 1902, which is the time frame we are talking about on these horns. A simple guess might be that the horns were made just prior to widespread logo use.

[perrywash]

I have read that the dog/his master's voice logo first appeared on records in July 1902, which is the time frame we are talking about on these horns. A simple guess might be that the horns were made just prior to widespread logo use.

[Phonofreak]

Thanks for all the replies. I've came to the conclusion that the small early rear mount horns didn't have a decal. I am restoring a Victor I circa 1906-08. There is no evidence of a decal on the horn.
Harvey Kravitz