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A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:19 pm
by Bruce_Van_Note
This seller is parting out a VV 4-7 that appears to be in salvageable condition over all. I'm adding eBay postings of what he's selling. You be the judge as to whether this phonograph could have been saved.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf7c5a24

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf5168db

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c34d88c2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c34d7064

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c34d5983

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c34d4de9

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32cb0eb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32cad4c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32ca854

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf33273a

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf332200

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32c9bd6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32c91f2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf331096

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf3309ed

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf33036f

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 43cf32fd15

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32c65fb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32c5efb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32c578d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VICTOR-VICTROLA ... 51c32c4a2b

As far as I can tell, the complete VV 4-7 is there. To my eyes it could be salvageable, but I fear the seller thought he could make a bigger score by parting it out rather than sell the phonograph whole. I may be somewhat of a purist, but it pains me to see a phonograph in decent condition gutted for parts. The seller has the right to do this, but it still causes pain to a collector.

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:25 pm
by 52089
Most of the asking prices are kind of ridiculous. $50 for the ID plate? $150 for the needle holder? $150 for a common 2-spring motor? Good luck to him and whoever is desperate enough to consider these prices...

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:28 pm
by miker2001
The seller has almost $100 in bids already. Undoubtedly paid less than that for the machine He/she is not getting into phonograph heaven.

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:55 pm
by Phono-Phan
These sellers kind of get my nerve. Someone interested in doing a restoration on it would want the whole thing but more than likely won't get it all buying each part individually. They are just dissecting the whole thing to squeeze every little penny out of it. I wonder what they do with what they have left.

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:12 pm
by Bruce_Van_Note
As of now, it seems only one item has sold, one item has a bid on it, a few are still open with no bids, and all the rest have mysteriously ended without a sale. Maybe the seller had second thoughts or decided to try to put the phonograph back together, even though someone bought the lid hinge. Karma! It's still a crying shame to see such a grand phonograph as a VV 4-7 end this way. :cry:

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:33 am
by Phono-Phan
If there is anyone near Central Wisconsin interested in one of these, I would sell mine for $50. It needs restoration but is in better shape than this one.

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:02 pm
by Bruce_Van_Note
The seller has returned many of the VV 4-7 components for eBay sale. What I find distressing is that now he has removed the orthophonic horn assembly from the cabinet and the cabinet from the leg assembly, selling each of the three for a $50.00 start bid. Last time I checked, someone had placed a bid on the leg assembly. Pardon me while I kneel before the porcelain throne in my bathroom and make a deposit. :cry:

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:59 pm
by Garret
The seller is free to do with his items as he wishes. It might be a shame to see a machine being parted out, but at least it's not an L-door XVI being gutted for a Victor VI project or something of that nature... Considering the value of a 4-7 in nice original condition, and the cost of restoration that would be required to get this particular example up to snuff, the economics of parting out may outweigh the value of keeping it whole. :geek:

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:42 pm
by Bruce_Van_Note
Garret wrote:The seller is free to do with his items as he wishes. It might be a shame to see a machine being parted out, but at least it's not an L-door XVI being gutted for a Victor VI project or something of that nature... Considering the value of a 4-7 in nice original condition, and the cost of restoration that would be required to get this particular example up to snuff, the economics of parting out may outweigh the value of keeping it whole. :geek:

Garret, you are absolutely correct in your statement about a seller being free do with his items as he wishes, as well as try to get as much money as possible. In this case, the component parts, specifically the cabinetry and hardware, were in rather nice condition and I presume any additional costs to improve the appearance and mechanics would be minimal. I would guess the seller could get maybe between $400 and $600 for a complete VV 4-7 in very good condition. By parting-out every conceivable component of this phonograph, he is probably hoping to get double those amounts. The problem for the seller continues to be...the parts he has for sale are not drawing very many bids (this is the second bidding cycle for nearly all of these parts). Still, as an admirer of fine cabinetry and superior tonal reproduction, it is painful for me to witness the dismemberment of a once-elegant VV 4-7 phonograph.

Re: A parted-out VV 4-7

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:03 am
by Phono-Phan
I am surprised that this seller doesn't take the motor apart and sell each part individually.