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I have a very nice Banner Case, Triumph Model A with a typical Model A upper works,(i.e. sharp, square corners, ball type end latch, etc.) Serial number is approx. 41XXX

I also have what appears to be a Model B Triumph, with a typical B style cabinet. The upper works however look like the earlier Model A style, as described above. Serial number is approx. 43XXX, (I'll double check that number as I'm going from memory, which I shouldn't do.)

Did early B's have A style upper works? It's a 2 min. only machine. This B machine looks very untampered with.

JerryVan wrote:I have a very nice Banner Case, Triumph Model A with a typical Model A upper works,(i.e. sharp, square corners, ball type end latch, etc.) Serial number is approx. 41XXX

I also have what appears to be a Model B Triumph, with a typical B style cabinet. The upper works however look like the earlier Model A style, as described above. Serial number is approx. 43XXX, (I'll double check that number as I'm going from memory, which I shouldn't do.)

Did early B's have A style upper works? It's a 2 min. only machine. This B machine looks very untampered with.

The last of the Model A Triumphs were sold with the cabinet we associate with the Model B. This occurred roughly from No.45,000 - No.50,000.

George P.

According to Frow,

Triumph models A, B & C were all solely 2-Minute models. A 2/4 Combination was available at an extra cost and could have been added to the machines. It wasn't until the Triumph "D" model in 1908 that the 2/4 Combination came together standard as new on the phonograph when sold new without having to buy a "2/4 Combination Attachment" as before. 1908 it says was also the first year that they openly offered The newer Triumph Model "C" cases for people wanting to upgrade to a "Newer Style" case or replace and earlier "A" type or style case. Of course, if one had a dealer/jobber contact the factory, One probably could have gotten the earlier "A" type case as well I'm sure.

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Tony K.

Edison Collector/Restorer

phonogfp wrote:

JerryVan wrote:I have a very nice Banner Case, Triumph Model A with a typical Model A upper works,(i.e. sharp, square corners, ball type end latch, etc.) Serial number is approx. 41XXX

I also have what appears to be a Model B Triumph, with a typical B style cabinet. The upper works however look like the earlier Model A style, as described above. Serial number is approx. 43XXX, (I'll double check that number as I'm going from memory, which I shouldn't do.)

Did early B's have A style upper works? It's a 2 min. only machine. This B machine looks very untampered with.

The last of the Model A Triumphs were sold with the cabinet we associate with the Model B. This occurred roughly from No.45,000 - No.50,000.

George P.

The serial number of the later machine is 48315, (so much for my remembering 43xxx). So, it sounds like what I thought was a Model B, is really a later Model A. That's great information. Thanks!

Here it is, in person;

Wouldn't that be a transitional B? A upper in a B case? I got this one?

JerryVan wrote: The serial number of the later machine is 48315, (so much for my remembering 43xxx). So, it sounds like what I thought was a Model B, is really a later Model A. That's great information. Thanks!

You're very welcome!

George P.

This model was called the Triumph A/B, late in the Triumph A production the model B case was used. Not all that common.