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I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to share a picture of a complete Victor license label? I'm particularly interested in the M, I, and VI, as well as a second hand label.

I know someone at some point posted pictures of at least the VI on this or another board, but for the life of me, I can't find the post.

Thanks guys

Z

I have posted these labels a couple times in the past. So, perhaps it was mine you seen..??. Please note....the Vic.6 license label shows $105. This would only be seen on a machine that came with a #10 reproducer. Otherwise, the label would show $100 price.

On the other hand, the Second hand license shows the price reduced to $100.
Which can leave one to assume the original horn was changed to the newer wood speartip and the reproducer up-dated to a Exhibition.
A light sprucing up and modernizing by a dealer and re-sold for $100.

And that would be exactly what I was thinking of!

If you read the Second Hand label, it says that the original price was $100. The special Second Hand license allowed the dealer to sell it for less, but it didn't specify the amount.

George P.

phonogfp wrote:If you read the Second Hand label, it says that the original price was $100. The special Second Hand license allowed the dealer to sell it for less, but it didn't specify the amount.

George P.

Interesting. Since both labels are beside each other...it may be a typo on the hand written part..??.

However, the original label is dated 1902 and the SHL label is 1909.

I have always assumed the $100 was the "later" resale price (which makes sense). Not too sure how verbatim the SHL was taken.... . Also note the original label was left blank where the Serial number should have been written... .

It makes perfect sense... How could a dealer sell a second-hand machine for practically the same price as a new one? Who would buy it?

George P.

phonogfp wrote:It makes perfect sense... How could a dealer sell a second-hand machine for the same price as a new one? Who would buy it?

George P.

Well, I for one would have gladly handed out $105 for every Vic.6 they were reselling..... .

I thought that the price of $100 referred to the original equipment with fiber and brass bell horn, while the increased price of $105 was calculated after the upgrade with a mahagony horn. If my assumption is correct the paper label stating the higher price appeared simultaneously with the arrival of the wooden horns.

Starkton wrote:I thought that the price of $100 referred to the original equipment with fiber and brass bell horn, while the increased price of $105 was calculated after the upgrade with a mahagony horn. If my assumption is correct the paper label stating the higher price appeared simultaneously with the arrival of the wooden horns.

The $105 price on the early Vic.6 was when sold with the #10 reproducer. This early model also predates the #30 & #31 wood horns.

However, since this Vic.6 was with a wood horn and gold Exhibition reproducer when found by me.....I can only deduce the machine was "up-dated" when traded in at a Victor dealership by the original owner. The simple fact the #10 was vastly inferior to the "now" well established Exhibition and the the new wood horns were all the rage leads me to think this.

One also has to realize that new Vic.VI's that were also for sale by this dealer at this time already had these components as standard equipment and retailing for $100.
So, even though this machine retained it's early ball bearing race motor, it was spruced up and made to look like the newer version and in reality sold at a then full retail price of $100..... .

An interesting note that has been discussed by me in the past and will share again....

The "U" tube sits at a upward angle with the Exhibition in place. Once I place the #10 on, the "U" tube sits perfectly horizontal (as it should) while in a play position.

I will be adding a early Victor paper mache horn I recently found to this machine. This will bring the machine back to it's original 1904 $105 appearance.

The mache horn I discovered is very interesting in it's own right. It has a factory red painted interior (shiny black exterior) and retains a never before seen Victor decal......along with the standard Victor decals normally seen. A total of three decals on this horn... .

I am having this horn conserved at this time and once back.....I will be placing it on this Vic.6.

Pictures will be posted once on my machine for all to see.... .

gramophone78 wrote: The $105 price on the early Vic.6 was when sold with the #10 reproducer.

The Victor catalogue of 1904 (last mentioned date is May 1904), see below, doesn't support this. Do you have an early catalogue listing the machine with a $105 price tag?