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identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:06 pm
by talking girl
Hi Everybody,
I am hoping that my pictures post correctly and that somebody can help me with identifying this piece. Unfortunately no data plate :(
Thank you!! :rose:
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Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:12 pm
by jboger
I don't know, but it has a nice Arts & Craft look about it.

Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:22 pm
by phonogal
Sure looks like a Victor back bracket and tone arm. Any identification on the reproducer? I would guess that it is possibly a cabinet that was either custom made or one converted to hold a phonograph. I do like the arts & craft look.

Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:30 pm
by talking girl
I guess I should have put these up too.
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Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:33 pm
by Phonofreak
This looks like an early VV IX that is missing the lid. I don't know if the cabinet it fits in is an aftermarket one or custom made. Regardless, it sure makes a plain Victrola into something special. What's the S/N on the ID plate?
Harvey Kravitz

Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:01 pm
by talking girl
Thank you for your replies! Harvey, this does have a lid. See photo number one in my original post. There is no data plate so I don't know the s/n or model... (an auctioneer told me that the plate could just be missing...) That is what I am trying to get more info on.
Also, from what I have read, the horn could be small and black? Is this true? Its so hard to compare apples to oranges... and make what I have fit with descriptions and then dates and any and all other info. lol. Im hoping you guys who have been at this a lot longer know some other things or other ways to find things out. :)

Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:17 pm
by mhb
The first thing I'd do is go all over that cabinet looking for a Gustav Stickley label!
The horn would be internal (note the louvers in the front of the cabinet), and located beneath the turntable and motor.
Very nice cabinet!

mhb - Mike

Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:28 pm
by talking girl
Hi Mike, yes I know the horn is internal :)
Could this be it?
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Seems too small to me..., nor does it look like a horn but what do I know.
Here's another label underneath the cabinet
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Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:44 pm
by phonogal
If I'm looking at the picture correctly, it appears to have wooden horn chamber. The black metal piece is what connects the tone arm to the horn.

Re: identification...

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:04 pm
by gramophone78
This is not even close to Stickley or A&C and borderline later Mission style at best.

I would date this "marriage" by some handyman in the 1920's-30's. It lacks the overall quality of a production piece.

Certainly not sanctioned by Victor and done at a time the Victrola was worth little.

Although there were sideboard/Phonographs made by cabinet companies during the late teens and into the twenties. These companies would have used generic parts from suppliers to avoid any infringements.

You may want to see this thread showing one of these models that were offered......

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... 11&t=20141