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Hi, new guy here and I'd like to say thanks for letting me join the forum.

I'm new the phonograph world but am very interested in it. I bought a Triumph a couple weeks ago and would like to learn more about it and get it working well. I don't have a horn or crank but that shouldn't be too hard to find. I've been exchanging emails with Pete Stratford for a few days. Pete has been a big help in my education. Thanks Pete.

Right now I'm trying to figure the repeater out and think I have most of it but any opinions are welcome. I think after the spring loaded mechanism trips that the arm over by the worm gear raises up into the worm gear and returns the whole thing to the start position. There is a small piece that I'm attaching a picture of that I haven't figured out yet. If anybody knows where it goes please let me know.

Thanks,
Danny

Hi danrclem and welcome to the board. You will find a ton of information and loads of fun. Your Triumph looks very nice. You have a repeater and something else going on there? The part that is right at the mandrel I haven't seen before. But it looks to me like all of your repeater parts are there. Here is a pic of one of mine for you to see all the parts. If you look in the box, all the parts for your repeater are in there. It looks like your missing the stop adjustment? That is the bent piece of metal that sits under the screw. I think that is a model A, and if so the original cranks are hard to find. But you can get repops from Ron Sitco.

Dan,

Your repeater is not the same as the one shown in the preceding post.

Yours is the first one of its type that I've ever seen. We show nothing like it in our books. It has elements of other known repeater designs, but I have seen no advertisements for it, nor can I find a U.S. patent on it. Very interesting!

If this Triumph was sold in Canada, perhaps it's a Canadian-designed repeater. (I don't know how to search Canadian patents.) Of course, the whole Canadian idea may be a red herring.

Can you please share a photo of the dataplate on top of your Triumph? It's curious that it's nickel-plated but the machine has the 1904 speed indicator...

George P.

George is 100% correct. I have never seen that one ether. The screw don't set in a bracket like the others do and the end of the arm that connects with the screw is different. If it can be found, these guys will find it. Sorry about that.

phonogfp wrote:Dan,

Your repeater is not the same as the one shown in the preceding post.

Yours is the first one of its type that I've ever seen. We show nothing like it in our books. It has elements of other known repeater designs, but I have seen no advertisements for it, nor can I find a U.S. patent on it. Very interesting!

If this Triumph was sold in Canada, perhaps it's a Canadian-designed repeater. (I don't know how to search Canadian patents.) Of course, the whole Canadian idea may be a red herring.

Can you please share a photo of the dataplate on top of your Triumph? It's curious that it's nickel-plated but the machine has the 1904 speed indicator...

George P.

George,
I just checked in a 1905 R.S. Williams (Toronto) catalog, and they show a regular type D for sale.

Hi Guys,
I did email pictures to Shawn ORourke. He thinks the pieces screwed to the reproducer carriage and outer casting are from a Weber repeater.(See Pictures). The outer return feed screw looks like it is from a "D" repeater. Perhaps someone has combined elements from both??
Pete

The return screw isn't from a "D" Repeater - - that's what is puzzling me. I recognized the Weber components on the carriage, but the return screw differs in its casting and in the screw itself from Edward Aikens' familiar "D" Repeater. I've been through all of Peter Weber's patents a few years ago for an article, but I don't recall seeing a return screw of this design in any of his (or anyone else's) patents.

As I suggested in my earlier post, it seems as though parts from more than one repeater are present on this Triumph, but that return screw remains a mystery. It certainly looks like a mass-produced item...but what is it?

I am also puzzled by the presence of a nickeled dataplate on a Triumph that dates from at least June 1904. I can't make out the serial number in the photos, either...

George P.

Thanks guys. I made my first post in a hurry because I had to leave for work shortly after. I guess I ought to introduce myself now that I have a little more time. My name is Danny Clemens and I live outside of Mt. Washington, Ky. which is just south of Louisville.

I bought this from a man that lives in Simpsonville, Ky. I'm guessing that he is about 60 and told me that this player belonged to his grandfather. I'm planning on calling him back and see if he has any more information about it that he can share.

I'm posting a picture of the data plate and one of the arm that works with the screw. The arm is also nickel plated and doesn't look like the D model arms that I have saw.

I still have a cleanup and lube job to do to it.

Again thanks for the replies,
Danny

Well, isn't that interesting!

This Triumph has had a Concert dataplate substituted for the original. The dataplate dates from November 1900, but the Triumph top works is no earlier than June 1904. Clearly, some imaginative tinkerer has been at work!

Thanks for the photos, Danny, and welcome to the forum!

George P.

How would it be to have a repeater mechanism on a Triumph E?If I remember correctly,Edison discontinued them by that time.edisonplayer