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Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:28 pm
by 78monarch
Can anyone help me with any information on these parts? I think they are from a cylinder phonograph. I'm thankful for any replies.

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:49 pm
by Panatropia
Well, a French musical museum lists it as an Enregistreur, which means recorder. The horn shape would bear that out. They further state that it's Belgian. Apart from the accompanying pic, that's all the info.
http://basenationale.philharmoniedepari ... LE/0933513

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:15 pm
by 78monarch
Thanks for the help :)

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:31 am
by Odeon
As you may see with the box, this unit had been sold in Germany:
  • D.R.P. & Ausl.-Pat
    =
    Deutsches Reichs Patent & Auslands - Patente
    (Patented in Germany and foreign countrys)
Tne company had been registered (in Berlin) in early 1925.
retor.png
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Do you find any (patent) numbers on the parts?

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:20 am
by Panatropia
1925? Well, that cancels the cylinder player idea. Home recording device for a disc machine?

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:36 am
by Odeon
Definitely for a disc machine, as cylinder machines had been out of favour here in central Europe and Germany till c. 1910. Maybe it recorded (on the disc) in hill and dale. But, without the patent, it will be difficult to understand the function.

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:37 am
by Panatropia
Odeon wrote:Definitely for a disc machine, as cylinder machines had been out of favour here in central Europe and Germany till c. 1910. Maybe it recorded (on the disc) in hill and dale. But, without the patent, it will be difficult to understand the function.
Help me out here, translation wise.

Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:45 am
by Odeon
In short: With the "Retor-Sprechmachine" (Retor Talking Machine) you recorded on discs made out of wax. In the shown article the "Retor-Sprechmachine" had been used by scientist for a kind of sound archive (old folk songs). See also: http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/unbekannt_ ... chine.html

May be similar to this patent:
CH000000116618A_all_pages.pdf
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Re: Unknown phonograph parts

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:49 am
by Panatropia
I thought so. Feldforschungen. Field research-field recording. Wachsshallplatten- wax records... This is beginning to get interesting. Thank you!