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OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:40 pm
by Zwebie
I came across this listing on Ebay and had to take a double-take!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/401199616953?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

What struck me was the description!

"Beautiful Buy Complete Edison Concert cylinder Machine with large Brass Horn and floor stand, 7 Concert Edison,Columbia Cylinders

Edison Concert Cylinder Model A, #. 3844, 5-inch Mandrel Complete with Shaver,

Has the Original Rarer Automatic reproducer,# 174511. This Automatic Reproducer has the 1.3 ounce heavy weight Automatic with the limit screw
The weight is thicker the screw is longer.Hinge Block,
# 17000 Series
This is What makes it different with this Automatic Reproducer
is the weight, the longer link, and the longer limit screw.

Steve Medvid & Walt Sommers has Rebuilt this
According to Steve & Walt this is the earlist Automatic reproducer he has seen..
It does look Original to the reproducer 174511.

Still has the Original Black and Gold stripe Finish

Has the 3- Spring motor

Has the square holed Crank

Plays and sounds Great

has 7 cylinders with it ( 5 Inch. ) most are in near mint Condition

all playable

Original Oak Finish case the Corners are dove tailed Beautiful

Nice Original Finish Oak case and all-enveloping lid, The Original 57-inch brass horn and Original floor stand.
The horn was polished (cost $ 1,200.00 )

are in Excellent Condition."


I just had to contact the seller, because I had previously owned this machine.
Here is the message I sent him thru Ebay:

Dear Sir,
WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU EVER COME UP WITH YOUR FANCIFULL INFORMATION???
I purchased this machine 2yrs ago at Union, and subsequently sold it at Stanton’s this past spring.
I had owned the horn and crane for about 5yrs, and had the horn straightened and polished, and a new brass nipple installed at a music shop in Tulsa for a whopping cost of $120.
I am the person who glued and nailed the leather bumpers on the case to insulate the bedplate from the case to make the motor quieter. I am also the person who rebuilt the reproducer with a new replacement limit screw from Ron Sitko. (I can’t believe that you made up a story that Steve Medvid & Walt Sommers rebuilt this reproducer!).
I am also the person who cleaned and polished the case with GoJo, and cleaned and lubricated the motor and installed a new leather drive belt.

I am including pictures which I sent to Steve Stanton prior to the spring auction to prove my case!

Sincerely, Bob Schuljak, Broken Arrow, OK

OBVIOUSLY, I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A RESPONSE!

i looked up antqedison5947 on the forum and found this link:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... edison5947

I'm sure that in this world there are many people like this.
I would hope that we don't have too many in the Hobby.
THINGS LIKE THIS REALLY PISS ME OFF!!!

Respectfully, Rob S.

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:56 pm
by VictrolaGuy - Walt
Very interesting indeed. (I am Walt Sommers.) Oh the tangled web that guy is weaving.

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:42 pm
by cmshapiro
Just to play devils advocate, who says that this guy didn't buy it at the Stanton auction, and maybe he swapped out the reproducer for reason???

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:13 pm
by VictrolaGuy - Walt
Nope. A different reproducer would necessarily have a different serial number. (The facts of this matter are being addressed privately as they should be.)

cmshapiro wrote:Just to play devils advocate, who says that this guy didn't buy it at the Stanton auction, and maybe he swapped out the reproducer for reason???

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:16 pm
by gramophone-georg
I've dealt with this guy before... let's just say doing so is a Kafka- esque experience.

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:00 pm
by Panatropia
gramophone-georg wrote:I've dealt with this guy before... let's just say doing so is a Kafka- esque experience.

So, he's really a cockroach after all?

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:16 pm
by gramophone-georg
Panatropia wrote:
gramophone-georg wrote:I've dealt with this guy before... let's just say doing so is a Kafka- esque experience.

So, he's really a cockroach after all?
Can't say as I never met the man, but I can tell you that I noticed quite the metamorphosis in the items I bought by the time I got 'em...

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:15 am
by Panatropia
gramophone-georg wrote:
Panatropia wrote:
gramophone-georg wrote:I've dealt with this guy before... let's just say doing so is a Kafka- esque experience.

So, he's really a cockroach after all?
Can't say as I never met the man, but I can tell you that I noticed quite the metamorphosis in the items I bought by the time I got 'em...
Well Sir, I ain't no entomologist either, but his two negative feedbacks seem restricted to phono related items. More'n enough to warn me away from any potential dealings.

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:03 pm
by Valecnik
I tried to deal with him once or twice, maybe more. Either did not get a response to my queries or when I asked for more pictures he said he would not send them after which I replied then I would not bid on the item.

Re: OUT & OUT FRAUD by antqedison5947 on Ebay!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:28 pm
by Zeppy
well, the seller has modified his description striking the reference to Steve and Walt, and changed it to "the two gentlemen."

:roll: