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I spotted this on craigslist, and it looks to be a Borgia cabinet. The only thing is, that Borgia cabinets didn't have four separate doors. This might be an indicator of the machine being gutted. Could it be anything other than a Borgia 9-2 or 9-3?

https://harrisonburg.craigslist.org/fuo/6167687739.html

The seller sent me this photo, showing four doors.

Would love to have that cabinet, but too far away. I have a Borgia I, which is mostly complete, but the cabinet is way too water damaged to save.

That link takes me to a dining room table and chair set. Is it correct?

BTW, here is a post from Victrola-Monkey:

I'm sorry but I gotta keep things straight here with the Borgia One, Borgia Two, and VE 9-40 comparisons.

I have both 2-door and 4-door Borgia Twos and VE 9-40s. Model and door number do not correlate.

The "Borgia II" is on the ID tag but it is a VE 9-2, aka Borgia Two..

As "Borgia" is on the ID tag but it is a VE 9-3, aka Borgia One.
r
Borgia One is the only one that is a windup and has no amplifier for the Radiola 28.

The difference in the cabinets of the Borgia Two and the VE 9-40 was made because of the same reason found with the Credenza and the VV 8-30 (VE 8-60).. And that was to a accommodate a power-on light, or just a place holder location as in the case with the VV 8-30. Additionally, the newer style cabinets (VE 9-40, VV 8-30, and VE 8-60) are about an inch or more taller with a bigger base but shorter bun feet.. As does the actual horn height follow suit for the newer cabinets.

Oh, I should add that the same change was made to the latter VE 10-50 cabinets to accommodate the power-on light on the VE 10-51.

startgroove wrote:Would love to have that cabinet, but too far away. I have a Borgia I, which is mostly complete, but the cabinet is way too water damaged to save.

That link takes me to a dining room table and chair set. Is it correct?

BTW, here is a post from Victrola-Monkey:

I'm sorry but I gotta keep things straight here with the Borgia One, Borgia Two, and VE 9-40 comparisons.

I have both 2-door and 4-door Borgia Twos and VE 9-40s. Model and door number do not correlate.

The "Borgia II" is on the ID tag but it is a VE 9-2, aka Borgia Two..

As "Borgia" is on the ID tag but it is a VE 9-3, aka Borgia One.
r
Borgia One is the only one that is a windup and has no amplifier for the Radiola 28.

The difference in the cabinets of the Borgia Two and the VE 9-40 was made because of the same reason found with the Credenza and the VV 8-30 (VE 8-60).. And that was to a accommodate a power-on light, or just a place holder location as in the case with the VV 8-30. Additionally, the newer style cabinets (VE 9-40, VV 8-30, and VE 8-60) are about an inch or more taller with a bigger base but shorter bun feet.. As does the actual horn height follow suit for the newer cabinets.

Oh, I should add that the same change was made to the latter VE 10-50 cabinets to accommodate the power-on light on the VE 10-51.

Thanks for the posting from Victrola-Monkey. That explains alot.

And yes, the link does lead you to a dining set ad on craigslist. In the description, is lists a "Victrola Banquet". In the third picture, you can see it in the right corner of the room.

RolandVV-360 wrote:

startgroove wrote: Borgia One is the only one that is a windup.

The Borgia I is not a wind-up. The turntable is driven by an electric motor.

Fonotone wrote:

RolandVV-360 wrote:

startgroove wrote: Borgia One is the only one that is a windup.

The Borgia I is not a wind-up. The turntable is driven by an electric motor.

The Borgia I-X used the electric motor.

I owned VV Borgia I, Serial No. 1111. It most definitely was fitted with a spring motor. Lost the machine in my fire but somewhere have a manual for the "Borgia I, Spring Motor Type".

My machine had apparently been fitted with a Philco power unit by the dealer, Lyon & Healy in Cleveland, OH. I cannot imagine why the owner did not throw in the extra $35.00 for the Induction Disc motor.

The Borgia I-X used the electric motor.

I owned VV Borgia I, Serial No. 1111. It most definitely was fitted with a spring motor. Lost the machine in my fire but somewhere have a manual for the "Borgia I, Spring Motor Type".

My machine had apparently been fitted with a Philco power unit by the dealer, Lyon & Healy in Cleveland, OH. I cannot imagine why the owner did not throw in the extra $35.00 for the Induction Disc motor.

As you might know, dealers were becoming desperate to sell high-end machines in the late 20s and through the depression. Maybe they offered the Philco motor as an addition at a discount price compared to the $35 Victor motor, or sold the machine with the motor pre-fitted at a low price.

Uncle Vanya wrote:

Fonotone wrote:

startgroove wrote: Borgia One is the only one that is a windup.

The Borgia I is not a wind-up. The turntable is driven by an electric motor.

The Borgia I-X used the electric motor.

I owned VV Borgia I, Serial No. 1111. It most definitely was fitted with a spring motor. Lost the machine in my fire but somewhere have a manual for the "Borgia I, Spring Motor Type".

My machine had apparently been fitted with a Philco power unit by the dealer, Lyon & Healy in Cleveland, OH. I cannot imagine why the owner did not throw in the extra $35.00 for the Induction Disc motor.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize there were variants. I just checked the ID plate on mine, and it's Borgia I E 516.

Grant

Oh, that Victor Borgia! I was thinking of this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Borge

So the one pictured in Roland's posting is a VE 9-40. I don't think that was specifically stated in the above.

-Wayne

Victrola-Monkey wrote:So the one pictured in Roland's posting is a VE 9-40. I don't think that was specifically stated in the above.

-Wayne

How can you tell it's a 9-40? The cabinet used on the 9-40 was exactly the same on the 9-2 and 9-3. We may never be able to tell either; it might be gutted.