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Is the rubber isolator mount the same as an Orthophonic? If so, who has them?

Curt A wrote:Is the rubber isolator mount the same as an Orthophonic? If so, who has them?

No, No. 4 is different unless you're going to mount the #4 to an Orthophonic machine... but why?

I got a bunch from George Vollema last year.

gramophone-georg wrote:

Curt A wrote:Is the rubber isolator mount the same as an Orthophonic? If so, who has them?

No, No. 4 is different unless you're going to mount the #4 to an Orthophonic machine... but why?

I got a bunch from George Vollema last year.

Thanks, I just want the correct one for the #4 on a VV 1-70...

The 1-70 is the standard non-orthophonic tonearm size I believe so a normal #4 isolator should be fine.

Thanks Brandon...

Curt, Ron Sitko sells these parts. Like the other posters said, This will fit on a standard Victrola arm. This insert was also used on a Victrola No. 2. Also, this part will fit in an Orthophonic reproducer. I had an extra Orthophonic, and replaced the insert with one used on the 2 and 4. It fits perfectly. Not exactly correct, but my Victor V sure barks loud and clear. That's the fun part of this hobby.
Harvey Kravitz

Curt A wrote: No, No. 4 is different unless you're going to mount the #4 to an Orthophonic machine... but why?

This would be an interesting experiment. I find that playing acoustically recorded discs on a large Orthophonic machine results in a muddiness, as if the machine is trying to add bass where none had been recorded; partly because of the exponential horn. I'm curious if fixing a No. 4 on a Credenza would bring a much-needed brightness.
Has anyone done this ? Any thoughts?

Torjazzer wrote:This would be an interesting experiment. I find that playing acoustically recorded discs on a large Orthophonic machine results in a muddiness, as if the machine is trying to add bass where none had been recorded; partly because of the exponential horn. I'm curious if fixing a No. 4 on a Credenza would bring a much-needed brightness.
Has anyone done this ? Any thoughts?

10 or so years ago, there was a man in Texas who sold adapters for putting the non-ortho Victor soundboxes on an Orthophonic tonearm. I've got one, results using just about anything really didn't make any difference to my ears, if anything, the sound was weaker. I haven't even used the thing in years now, I suspect if I was impressed or it left any kind of positive memory with me, I'd be using it.

Sean

My experience for the most part is that if the reproducer wasn't designed for a particular machine / horn design, it usually sounds like rubbish when mismatched. In this particular instance, Curt is putting the No. 4 on a machine that was designed for it.

What does a brass #4 cost and does anyone have one for sale?