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How often do you find these International Textbook Co standard phonographs. I have seen (and owned) ICS machine before but have never seen one of these. The ICS are usually on a model c, but this one is a model B with the banner decal. This seems very unusual to me. Any info?

I've seen more of the ICS (International Correspondence School) Edison Standards versus ITC as you have here. The Edison Standard cabinet pictured sure looks like a banner model A to me as it appears shorter than a banner model B cabinet but maybe it's the camera angle.

Doug

FellowCollector wrote:I've seen more of the ICS (International Correspondence School) Edison Standards versus ITC as you have here. The Edison Standard cabinet pictured sure looks like a banner model A to me as it appears shorter than a banner model B cabinet but maybe it's the camera angle.

Doug

I don't own it but I'm thinking of buying it. Do ITS cylinders exist?

Martin

Just checked my Standard B, and it does have the ITS label. (I've been referring to it as an ICS model before)...

Bill

The ITC /ICS phonographs have been around since the early standard A production. They were made in models A,B,C, And the rarer D standard. They are nice phonographs as you can drop the speed way down to play the ICS cylinders. I have a early ITS phonograph S/N 46882 so they started quite early. I do not know if they made a four clip standard ITS to play there correspondence cylinders. They put out many different classes besides language on the cylinders. Enjoy your phonograph. Tom

I did a double take on that ebay listing. While it has a nice case and bedplate, it's missing the motor, speed control knob, reproducer, crank and lid. While it's in a New style case as you would find on a model A, the bedplate and top works belong to a model B with 5 screws holding it to the frame. Also, the screws are the later Phillips type. This suggests that this was cobbled together at a much later date. ITS machines are less common than the later ICS machines, but they do turn up fairly frequently. Personally, I'd hold off until a better example comes along.

Regards,
Martin

I did a double take on that ebay listing. While it has a nice case and bedplate, it's missing the motor, speed control knob, reproducer, crank and lid. While it's in a New style case as you would find on a model A, the bedplate and top works belong to a model B with 5 screws holding it to the frame. Also, the screws are the later Phillips type. This suggests that this was cobbled together at a much later date. ITS machines are less common than the later ICS machines, but they do turn up fairly frequently. Personally, I'd hold off until a better example comes along.

Regards,
Martin

The above excellent advice comes from THE authority on Edison Standards. Jerry Blais

Here is my first cylinder machine - an ICS Edison Standard Model D.

martinola wrote:I did a double take on that ebay listing. While it has a nice case and bedplate, it's missing the motor, speed control knob, reproducer, crank and lid. While it's in a New style case as you would find on a model A, the bedplate and top works belong to a model B with 5 screws holding it to the frame. Also, the screws are the later Phillips type. This suggests that this was cobbled together at a much later date. ITS machines are less common than the later ICS machines, but they do turn up fairly frequently. Personally, I'd hold off until a better example comes along.

Regards,
Martin

Well they increased the price of the listing. If it were more of a hard to find machine I would have waited to find a cheap model B with a junk case to use for as a donor motor and lid. I think I'll wait for one with a better bed plate.

Martin

martinola wrote: While it's in a New style case as you would find on a model A, the bedplate and top works belong to a model B with 5 screws holding it to the frame.

I'm confused I think, Martin.

The bed plate on this appears to have a hole for the speed control (see picture) which would make the bed plate and upper works for an Edison Standard model A (like the one here:
https://www.intertique.com/EdisonNewSty ... DDemo.html on Lynn Bilton's web page) unless I'm missing something here.

All of the Edison Standard model B's I own and I've seen have no hole for the speed control. It looks to me like this is a banner Edison Standard model A without the motor, reproducer, crank and horn but with the ITC (International Textbook Company) tag (and the ICS parts) and modern bed plate screws. Is it because this has the 5 bed plate screws that makes this a model B Standard bed plate and upper works?

Thanks,
Doug